From: Haim Kalb <Kalbcpa@012.net.il>
Subject: RE: הפעם לדוברי אנגלית בלבד English Speakers On
To: מטות ערים <firstname.lastname@example.org>
- the chief non-honorary officer-this is degrading a Rav
- THE ALLUSION WAS TO THE FACT THAT RABBI W IS EXECUTIVE VP -- WHEREAS THE PRESIDENT IS THE CHIEF OFFICER, HOWEVER THE PRESIDENT IS AN HONORARY POSITION (NO ACTUAL POWERS I.E.) SO PRACTICALLY SPEAKING (IE OTHER THAN HONORARY POSITIONS) -- RABBI W IS THE CHIEF OFFICER
- IF YOU THINK THAT THIS ALLUSION WOULD BE MISUNDERSTOOD BY RABBI W. I AM HAPPY TO EMAIL AN APOLOGY CC YOU
- Rabbi Weinreb and his like-minded colleagues-Professionals are colleageues, Rabanim are Rabanim! CORRECT...COLLEAGUES THEREFORE MEANS HIS FELLOW LEADERS IN THE VARIOUS AMERICAN JEWISH ORGANIZATIONS
- convince Rabbi Weinreb and his like-minded colleagues to rethink these policies quickly. It seems they have not yet internalized-What you are saying is they have not adapted your opinion or to the level of your activism and we must convince them to adapt our opinion and our degree of activism. Keep in mind the Rabanim deal with a lot of issues most other people and organizations don't. They deal with chinuch, shlom bayit, conversions, medical and scientific halachic issues, kashruthand many more all at the same time. You are implying that the Rabanim should reorganize what they do and put at the top of their list the issue most important to you
- I THINK THE POINT IS THAT THERE IS A PIKUACH NEFESH OF THE RABIM HERE. NOTE THE LATEST PRONOUNCEMENT OF THE GEDOLEI HATORAH (A FEW DAYS AGO) IN E'Y ENDORSED BY THE GEDOLEI TORAH IN USA ABOUT THIS SPECIFIC POINT
- . On the other hand think about where Am Yisrael would be if everyone "rethought their policies" as you put it and do exactly what the Rabanim do. Everyone whould be makpid on all the Mitavot, keep shabbos and kashruth properly, learn hours of Torah a day etc, and this would surly change Am Yisrael's position in the world tremendously. Am Yisrael survived 2000 in exile without a state. But as we see with intermarriage around the world, Jews can't survive more than 1-2 generations after they stop intensively keeping Torah and Mitzvot.
- YES INDEED, ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. HOWEVER THE PALESTINIAN STATE ISSUE IS AN EVEN MORE SHORT-TERM DANGER UNFORTUNATELY
- Israel's continued survival depends -- among other factors -- on its ability to prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state in Judea and Samaria. The goyim don't have any power except the power the Jews give them by not keeping Torah and Mitzvot. WE KNOW THAT EVEN IN OUR PARENTS' LIFETIMES THERE WERE MANY INSTANCES OF HESTER PANIM IN EUROPE AND ELSEWHERE IN WHICH THIS WAS NOT BORNE OUT...IT IS ALSO NOT REPRESENTED BY THE MEKOROT...I DONT THINK THAT TALMIDEI CHACHOMIM WOULD ENDORSE THIS STATEMENT AS YOU HAVE EXPRESSED IT.
- Rabbi Weinreb must act like a leader-this is condescending. I am sure he does lots for Am Yisrael leading them in many areas the OU is involved in. Again, he may not have the same activism as you in the area of your interest but I am sure in the areas he is involved in he acts like a leader.
- Rabbi Weinreb must work tirelessly-again, this is condescending.
- CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM PARTICULARLY IN MATTERS OF PIKUACH NEFESH IS NEVER CONDESCENDING. HOWEVER, IF YOU CONTACT RABBI WEINREB AND FIND THAT HE TOOK OFFENSE FROM THIS (I AM PRETTY SURE HE WOULD NOT...) I WILL BE HAPPY TO CLARIFY -- IN WRITING CC TO YOU THAT THERE WAS NO INTENTION TO CAUSE OFFENSE.
BIVRACHA NEEMANA -- S. DYM
From: מטות ערים [mailto:email@example.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 11:56 PM
To: Haim Kalb
Subject: Re: הפעם לדוברי אנגלית בלבד English Speakers On
Mr. Kalb, pls pull out any expressions you find offensive (or mark them in some color...) and list them for us here and we will consider your constructive criticism very carefully. We do hope thought that you will consider a suitably respectful letter in the language you feel is right and with content you feel is appropriate, to Rabbi W. regarding this pikuach nefesh issue. Bivracha.
On 2/5/08, Haim Kalb <Kalbcpa@012.net.il> wrote:
Although I generally have similar opinions to your group, I am outraged that you refer the way you do here about a Rav in general and about his so-called "colllegues" (i.e. other Rabanim) in particular. You are free to have your opinion but keep in mind that the Gmara states that one of the reasons for the current exile is because Jews didn't have respect for Talmidei Chachamim. You may agree with their view or you may not but if you don't at least respect them then you learned nothing from 2000 years of exile. The existence of the State of Israel is more dependent on respect for Rabbis and love of every Jew than it is on American or Israeli gov't policy. It is Hashem's policy that counts, and although part of that policy entails "hishtadlut" which is what you are trying to do, you can't do hishtadlut at the expense of respect of Rabanim and talmidei chachamim-that is part of the reason for the exile and without fixing it, the state will again be at risk. By doing hishtadlut at the expense of respect of other Jews, that is called "שכרו יצא בהפסדו.
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