Friday, April 20, 2018

Urgent! Pidyon Shvuyim! Pikuach Nefesh! A Cry for Help from Naama Odess the Mother of Incarcerated Elisha Odess to help spread the word and lobby and write letters to help free her Son Elisha --

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Thursday, April 19, 2018

Urgent! Pidyon Shvuyim! Pikuach Nefesh! A Cry for Help from Naama Odess the Mother of Incarcerated Elisha Odess to help spread the word and lobby and write letters to help free her Son Elisha
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Thursday, April 19, 2018

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Urgent! Pidyon Shvuyim! Pikuach Nefesh! A Cry for Help from Naama Odess the Mother of Incarcerated Elisha Odess to help spread the word and lobby and write letters to help free her Son Elisha



On Thu, Apr 19, 2018, 2:35 PM Naama Odess  wrote:


Dear Friends,
I imagine you have been following this week's development.
After the initial news update that the prosecution is asking the court to disregard the confessions given under torture ( although we know that is a manipulation, as they are requesting the court accept the confessions given in the short breaks between the torture sessions claiming they came from free will...)
Any way this did bring quite a bit of media coverage and people are beginning to realize something very wrong happened and essentially is still going on.
We have been advised from various directions that now is a time to reach out to as many motivated or influential people as we can.
...I do not want to trouble you Ladies as you are already doing so much and we are very appreciative of that. So let me know what I can do from here.
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We feel it is a crucial time both because of the upcoming court decision and because Elisha's emotional state is somewhat deteriorating. 
שנזכה לבשורות טובות ישועות ונחמות במהרה.

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Fwd: Serious Questions of the Duma Investigation following ANALYSIS: New Revelations in the Duma Case.
https://shemittahrediscovered.blogspot.com/2018/04/fwd-analysis-new-revelations-in-duma.html?m=1

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Sincerely,

Robin Ticker

Activist emails sent to my list  are L'Ilui Nishmat Yisrael ben David Aryeh ob"m (Izzy - Kaplan) and Howard Chaim Grief great activists and lovers of Eretz Yisroel, Am Yisroel and the Torah. Yehi Zichronum Baruch.  May their memories serve as a blessing. 

Most of these emails are posted on Shemittahrediscovered.blogspot.com

Personal emails to individuals will not be posted to my blog. 

Fwd: Serious Questions of the Duma Investigation following ANALYSIS: New Revelations in the Duma Case.


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Now  is not the time to be humble...

...See Gittin 56, which states, “Because of the humility of Rabbi Zecharya ben Avkulas, the Beit Hamikdash was destroyed”; 
Jan 7, 2016

Let's even take Shabaks side for arguments sake...

From HaModia article January 2016



Now let's consider some interesting possibilities.

The question is whether Shabak is a neutral investigator of the crime or whether they were biased to begin with and had an agenda with a predetermined outcome. Perhaps it can be argued in Elisha and Amiram's defense that the purpose of the "investigation" was to come up with evidence to support a guilty verdict.

It is no secret that Shabak has moles, informants and Provocateurs embedded in the Settler community. 

However is the real purpose of this Division to find Jewish terrorists or to create them by provocations?

It can be sensibly argued that the Division for Jewish Terrorists work closely with political, legal and military authorization and try very hard to provoke the Hilltop Youth and their friends in order to prove that they are part of a terrorist group. Seems like a leftist agenda and possibly even center based. Basically trying to  neutralize the nationalist right religious. 

Destroying  homes built with love, destroying their temporary wooden structures they  built on a hilltop, coming right before Chag coming on Shabbat or immediately before Shabbat all seems to suggest that these are political provocations rather than trying to prevent Jewish terrorists and  terror attacks on innocent Palestinians. 

Any wonder why the kids resort to throwing stones and burning tires to obstruct this immoral albeit "legal" operation authorized directly or even indirectly by the Government of Israel? 

One can be quite certain that any angry response by this group to this provocation will be filmed and documented to provide backup evidence that these kids are potential terrorists and ticking time bombs.

How would any of the individuals  responsible for this military operation against this hilltop group, (equipped with anti riot gear,  tear gas etc who have also in the past been filmed acting quite violently towards non violent  male and/or female settler youth protests),  respond if someone came suddenly to their home and tried to demolish it?

And how long would it take for a Shabak torturer or interrogator  to confess under torture to crimes he or she,  may or may have not committed in the process of interrogations. Lets say the interrogator extracted a confession proving the suspect was guilty.  Case in point. The suspect confessed that the bottle for the Molotov cocktail he used was green and indeed a green broken bottle was found at the scene of the crime . Perhaps, after being tortured himself and the purpose now of the interrogation was to clear the suspect of wrongdoing, the interrogator would confess to say that a clear bottle was found at the scene and they, the Division of Jewish Terror of Shabak,  those trying to get a confession then tampered with the evidence, switched the clear bottle to a green bottle to be consistent with the confession of the suspects. 

If this Division was less than honorable, they in fact, might have tampered with the evidence to produce the necessary confession.  Following torture, it's hard to determine whether any confession is true or not.   If the interrogators are biased there is no integrity to this investigation.

The integrity of these investigators  and the investigation should be investigated to make sure that the material they produce for evidence is complete and transparent before a court of law. It should include full transcripts and a full set of videos of all the conducted  investigations against these vulnerable kids available to a neutral third party that represents both the Defense and the Prosecution!

The point here is that most likely the Division of Jewish Terror is not a neutral investigator and had an agenda.  

They like most humans would also confess to anything when threatened with torture or even might have tampered with the evidence and even tampered with selecting only the confession that jives with their desired outcome. Are they really neutral investigators or are they working for the Prosecution? Would they for example also share confession sessions that would help these kids...confession sessions that prove that they are indeed innocent of the Duma crime?

I would like the Rabbanim who are hopefully neutral and objective with no agenda to either side, evaluate and judge the validity of this investigation.

Questions to answer
  • Halachically is one permitted to rush to publicly condemn a suspect prior to a thorough investigation?  Especially if they are heads of State (Yaalon, Netanyahu, Naftali Bennett)
Devarim 13:15
טו וְדָֽרַשְׁתָּ֧ וְחָֽקַרְתָּ֛ וְשָֽׁאַלְתָּ֖ הֵיטֵ֑ב וְהִנֵּ֤ה אֱמֶת֙ נָכ֣וֹן הַדָּבָ֔ר נֶֽעֶשְׂתָ֛ה הַתּוֹעֵבָ֥ה הַזֹּ֖את בְּקִרְבֶּֽךָ:   15Then you shall inquire, investigate, and ask thoroughly, and, behold, it is true, the matter is certain, that such abomination has been committed in your midst:
  • Halachically is one permitted to delay a trial (It's been almost three years and this case is still in the summation of the pretrial stage) and the boys have been imprisoned, in isolation, unable to be together with Torah Observant community, unble to pursue education, and tortured. 
 https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/516683/jewish/Chapter-5-Pirkei-Avot.htm Chapter 5 Pirkei Avot
  חרב באה לעולם על עינוי הדין, ועל עיוות הדין, ועל המורים בתורה שלא כהלכה. 
The sword comes to the world for the procrastination of justice, the corruption of justice, and because of those who misinterpret the Torah.
  • Halachically is any self confession let alone a confession following torture permissible? Yevamos 25b
Meanwhile, let us collectively call on the President or Prime Minister to pardon Elisha because he by all accounts didn't participate in any crime and at worst was an accomplice in planning. Does that deserve years in prison in isolation and torture? Compare this sentence with an teenage Arab terrorist with blood on his hands. Compare his treatment with all the students in David Bedeins documentary of UNRWA schools who willingly admitted to wanting to stone, stab, run over, kidnap, throw molotov cocktails etc and be a martyr. 

The Legacy of UNRWA https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=7&v=GIEHoBxn8tU

As for Amiram Ben Uliel, I would seriously question the entire biased investigation.  The delay in his trial is an obstruction of Justice in and of itself. The torture probably as well.  He too deserves a fair trial to determine if indeed there is any truth to the charges and if not let his name be cleared and those responsible for any obstruction of Justice be held accountable so that it is not repeated on some other hilltop youth victim.

It is completely plausible that this arson was perpetrated by feuding Arab clans as have other arson attacks in this village and that Hebrew Graffiti was painted on the burnt house by the perpetrators and their collaborators to frame Jews. Surely they investigated Arabs and not only Jews! If Arabs were investigated will the court order that the testimony be shared by both Defense attorneys as well as Prosecutors. Will Shabak share the Arab testimonies if it exonerates the Jewish suspects or only if it proves their guilt? Does the Division of Jewish Terror only work for the Prosecution of Jews?

Is there collusion between the Shabak, Political Leaders, Defense Leaders, and the Courts that is a deterrant for a fair and neutral investigation and is there  a predetermined verdict to further a political Agenda?

ציון במשפט תפדה ושביה בצדקה

Surely is not the time to be humble.  See what HaRav Moshe Feinstein wrote in  Iggerot Moshe regarding a rendering of a Psak to help a women in danger of divorce.  Wouldn't he agree that one should not be humble in speaking up when it's a matter of Pidyon Shvuyim and Pikuach Nefesh?


....Rav Moshe wrote these words in 1934, when he was a young man and certainly not considered a Torah giant by the gedolim of that era. Rav Moshe was addressing the question of whether a woman may immerse in a mikvah using earplugs; she would not immerse without them, and that would lead to this couple getting divorced.
Rav Moshe wrote a total of six teshuvot (Iggerot Moshe, YD 98-103) on this issue. These teshuvot represent the longest collection of teshuvot on a single topic in all of Iggerot Moshe. Rav Moshe presents a novel analysis of the question, and permitted the woman to immerse in this manner so as to avoid divorce.

see Gittin 56, which states, “Because of the humility of Rabbi Zecharya ben Avkulas, the Beit Hamikdash was destroyed”; why does it say “his humility” and what does that incident have to do with humility? See the comments of Maharatz Chayot there for a correct interpretation—This, indeed, is what results [from these types of failures to act], and we are compelled to rule [leniently] even for practical application when we deem it appropriate with evidence and clear understanding, and particularly in a serious matter of leaving a woman without a husband or avoiding a severe temptation.

Rav Moshe’s citation of the Maharatz Chayot is central to understanding his view. The Talmud tells us that Rabbi Zecharya ben Avkulas could have prevented the destruction of the Second Beit Hamikdash, since he had a halachic basis for permitting one to bring an invalid sacrifice under certain circumstances. This could have avoided insulting the Roman emperor who sent an invalid animal as a sacrifice. The Maharatz Chayot (Gittin 56a) states:

We see from this that the rabbis thought that the manner of Rabbi Zecharya was not proper, as he felt that such sacrifices could be brought [and he should have so stated]. . . However, because of his great modesty, he did not have the strength to act according to his views halachah lema’aseh [and save the Jewish people]; rather, he was afraid that other rabbis would accuse him of permitting activity prohibited by halachah, and he did not think of himself as a great enough sage to permit people to act according to his understanding of the halachah. He thought that these types of decisions were left only to the wisest of the generation (gedolei hador) [when in fact, he should have acted].

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Rabbi Michael J. Broyde is professor of law at Emory University School of Law in Atlanta, Georgia, and a dayan of the Beth Din of America.

This article was featured in Jewish Action Winter 2010.

Thursday, April 19, 2018
Urgent! Pidyon Shvuyim! Pikuach Nefesh! A Cry for Help from Naama Odess the Mother of Incarcerated Elisha Odess to help spread the word and lobby and write letters to help free her Son Elisha
https://shemittahrediscovered.blogspot.com/2018/04/urgent-pidyon-shvuyim-pikuach-nefesh.html

Tuesday, April 17, 2018

Fwd: April 17, 2017 Open Letter re: Elisha Odess by Shmuel Koenig...Let Us Support Hilltop Youth... Forced confession still admissible following torture...



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Edited...

Dear Chaver or Chavera,

The government of Israel doesn't exactly officially label Hilltop Youth as Terrorists.

Since 1994 those affiliated with Rabbi Meir Kahane ob"m and his ideology are designated Jewish Terror groups.

The Hilltop Youth are TREATED as belonging to a terrorist group  by detaining them and denying them due process.  It appears that Hilltop youth are arbitrarily detained for political purposes and their detention, interrogation  and even torture has been justified by Shabak who claim they are dangerous and ticking time bombs. They also argue that their forced confession should be permitted as evidence since their torture was conducted while protecting the dignity of the detainees and of their free will. 

It seems like the outcome of the trial has already been predecided. Shabak needed only to produce the evidence.

Why is the forced confession necessary if there was real evidence or witnesses?

It is our impression that their only 
"crime" is standing up for our rights to settle the entire Land including the Hills of Judea and Samaria based on Israel's Covenant with G-d as an everlasting inheritance!

This is consistent with the first Rashi in Breishith. This is the way to respond  to the Nations of the World who tell us that we stole the land.

In the Media they have often been labeled as "extremists" and " Messianic".

Why is it a crime to want to be tried by a Torah court, which is what they want ?

Why is it a crime to want to restore the Davidic Kingdom ?

The prosecutor in the Elisha Odess case has withdrawn some of the evidence, admitting that it is not valid. 

According to the family, they are only withdrawing forced confessions that they extracted under torture. Forced confessions that were made between torture sessions, merely under threat of additional torture, (and while those who tortured them were entering and leaving the room),  will still be permissable as evidence.

We have to support the Hilltop Youth and not allow them to be treated nor branded as terrorists.
 
With best wishes for the Geula,

Shmuel Koenig