Friday, February 15, 2008

I stand to be corrected re: Agudath Yisroel. Strength of Agudah. Shaliach Hashem

Susie Dym spokesperson for Mattot Arim a grassroots organization for Eretz Yisroel responds to my comments regarding  apparent lack of effectiveness of Agudahs resolution regarding Jerusalem at this years Agudah Convention  on US Policy.
a. personally i would not say to people that Aguda's statements did not have any effect on the us government. bH it is not true that the aguda's statements had no effect, in fact quite the opposite: (1) olmert was very upset by them and he made a very sharp statement indicating he was rattled by this development. (2) the Annapolis statement did not contain any overt mention of jerusalem (3) shas made a conditional commitment to leave the govt.
none of 1, 2, 3 is a geula shlema. 1 2 3 all together also are not a geula shlema. but they are ALL important steps forward, which show the great strength of aguda as שליח ה.
I wrote:
Agudah made a commitment to speak out for Jerusalem.   They did so at
> their Agudah convention in November.


> Part of their resolution is as follows:"NOW, THEREFORE, the delegates
> to the 85th national convention of Agudath Israel of America hereby
> resolve that Agudath Israel of America, under the direction of its
> rabbinic leadership, should communicate to appropriate government
> officials the organization's strong belief that, for the reasons set
> forth above, Israel should not relinquish parts of Jerusalem to
> Palestinian sovereignty, and the American government should not
> pressure the Israeli government into doing so."
My comments were:
> So the United States gov't didn't listen to Agudah's appeal.  Neither
> did Olmert.  So is that the end of Agudah's appeal?.  If someone you
> love is threatening to go off a cliff and you ask him not to and he
> doesn't listen, do you simply give up trying to convince him ...

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