Fwd: When is Collusion a crime? Clarity

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Collusion doesn't become a crime until certain lines are crossed.

Clinton campaign  and Obama  Administration crossed certain lines big time!

Let's say Trump's son see spoke with a Russian agent to find out dirt of Hillary Clinton. Is that Illegal?

Only if the dirt was unfounded and coming from a political opponents with an agenda and he used that dirt as if it was factual and substantiated and as if  the dirt was coming from a trustworthy source with no other political agenda.

Clinton campaign indeed colluded with those to find dirt on Trump.  However, they took it too far. They used unsubstantiated dirt  with a political agenda, gave it credibility which in turn authorized the trespassing of individuals privacy to uncover more dirt that could potentially be credible..

Almost all of us have hidden dirt that can potentially incriminate us.  None of us are angels free of sin. If we dig deep enough...

However, to use unsubstantiated misdoings as an excuse to use it to dig deep into channels normally not legally accessible in order to find some wrongdoing of higher credibility is to trespass on the individuals right of privacy.

The Clinton campaign and the deep State colluding with the FBI and  Comey and now the Mueller Investigation are indeed guilty of illegality, namely pushing the fake dossier as credible, and in this case colluding becomes a crime as it authorized unjustified Fisa warrants that violated privacy and allowed spying and bugging on political opponents.

In addition, it seems pretty clear that Manafort and Cohen investigations  are subjected to way harsher prosecution than is normative because of their association with Trump and are being used as pawns for a political agenda unrelated to their specific charges.

The fact that they are pleading guilty, other than Manafort, in an attempt to work with the prosecution and hopefully settle with the prosecution, to lessen the sentence and even possibly confess to crimes they did not commit, is very plausible due to the excessive charges and criminal liability and prison sentence they face.