Monday, August 11, 2014

Re: Honor Killing: Burning People Is a Muslim Thing


I don't know what really happened, just that it was out of character of the Baruch Goldstein I knew.

Hi Robin,

I read somewhere that Baruch Goldstein went crazy after an Arab murdered his best friend's 10 year old son. The Arab was from the mosque Goldstein later shot up.  I don't know if it is true or not.  I only know they murder our children as a way of life, and we almost never reciprocate in kind.  For the record, my first reaction to the burning of the Arab boy was that it was another Mohammed Al Dura lie.

Kol Tov,


On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 6:32 PM, Robin Ticker <> wrote:

News has it that they have Jewish suspects for murder of Arab teen.  

I personally don't know what happened but my gut agrees with this post following this comment. It just not a Jewish thing to randomly pick a random Arab kid and burn him in revenge.  I have blogged about attempts to frame settler youth with Price Tag Vandalism.  Often it turns out that Arabs were perpetrators even though often political leaders and Rabbi's prematurely condemn the youth before there is any conclusive evidence or conviction.

I still wonder about the Rabin Murder and about Shabaq agent Raviv.

I still wonder how Baruch Goldstein went crazy and shot a bunch of Arabs unprovoked.  I personally knew him and his family and it just doesn't add up. He was a caring doctor . His Mother was President of Emunah women who loved Israel. She was typical American Dati Leumi Zionist. They were a family we all admired.  From my personal interaction with him, as neighbors,  I would never imagine him to lose it and just randomly shoot anyone unprovoked except of course for self defense.   I can not believe that he randomly wanted to kill a bunch of  Arabs because he hated all Arabs.  That wasn't the Baruch I knew. 

 I don't know what happened that day and I don't know what happened with this Arab Teen but I pray to G-d that in both cases the truth comes out.  Meanwhile my gut feeling is like the author below that Jews are being framed in order to create moral equivalency.  Creating moral equivalency will then in turn justify a Palestinian State since any terror activity on their part is no different than "alleged" terror activity on the part of Jews. This of course is false.

Jews are entitled to the Land if Israel and the borders are delineated.  All opinions agree that Judea and Samaria fall under the proper borders within Israel, promised by G-d as an inheritance to Israel and not an inheritance for  Arabs.  Jews are obligated to keep the commandments of the Land and Arabs are not.  Jews have no predisposition or anything to gain of taking the life of  an innocent soul be it Arab or Jew and burning it. We value human life.   It is against our Torah.  It is against our very nature.

There is a concept in Tanach of "Goel Hadam".  Family members are allowed to go after someone who accidentally killed their family member.  The Torah provides places of refuge, 6 Levite cities and other designated refuge cities, to this killer because it was not an intentional act of murder but rather an accident.  In the case of an intentional murder, society is obligated to find the murderer and he needs to be brought to justice and killed as punishment for having purposefully taken a life. That is why Refuge cities were set up for those who killed accidentally.  Please see a discussion on this topic by Rabbi Frand.

Blood libels are part of the Jewish historical narrative and I would not rule out that this too is fabricated and a blood libel.  Before anyone rushes to condemn the "Jewish" murderers, before it is proven conclusively, I would advise to withhold judgement, apologies or comments.

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Date: Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 1:13 PM
Subject: Honor Killing: Burning People Is a Muslim Thing

[Might as well bone up on Islam now. The Jihad is getting closer and there will be a test later. Below, a timely message from an Israeli friend – a lawyer. df]
Jews do not burn bodies but Arabs do.
Burning a corpse is strictly forbidden by Jewish law.
In stark contrast, burning someone alive is one form of the traditional ritual of Muslim honor killings. ,
Three weeks ago, in Tunisian news, A Father Burned His 13-Year-Old Daughter to Death for Walking Home With a Boy. Tunisian
Last week a news wire reports: A 17-year-old girl and her husband were killed by her family for marrying without its consent, and another young woman was burned alive by a man for refusing his proposal in Pakistan's eastern Punjab province, police said Sunday.
In Yemen, a 15-year-old Yemeni girl was burned to death by her father for getting in touch with her fiancé before their wedding
In old news:
Horror in Nigeria: pupils burn to death in boarding school attack by Boko Haram
Rarely does a victim of attempted honor killing by being burnt alive survive but one did and bravely told her story in her paperback book, Burned Alive: A Survivor of an "Honor Killing" Speaks Out. When Souad was seventeen she fell in love. In her West Bank village, as in so many others, sex before marriage is considered a grave dishonor to one's family and is punishable by death. This was her crime. Her brother-in-law was given the task of meting out her punishment. One morning while Souad was washing the family's clothes, he poured gasoline over her and set her on fire. Miraculously, she survived, rescued by women of her village, who put out the flames and took her to a local hospital. Horribly burned over seventy percent of her body and still denounced by her family, Souad was able to receive the care she needed only after the intervention of a European aid worker. Now in permanent exile from her homeland, she has decided to tell her story and reveal the barbarity of a practice that continues to this day. Burned Alive the first true account ever published by a victim of an "honor crime." Souad's inspiring testimony is a shocking, moving, and harrowing story of cruelty and incomparable courage...and an inspiring call to action to end a heinous tradition.
In a study on Honor killings about half are not killed but tortured to death which includes being burned to death. This appears to be an age old method which is found in the Qur'an (48:29) - "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. ... Muhammad orders his men to burn alive those who do not present themselves at the mosque for ...
In some perverse sense bringing alive is one way that the sinner can still get into heaven as a martyr. A family who is shamed by the adulterer or homosexual and is charged with the obligation of executing the honor killing finds in this a method so that their wayward relative is not forever damned.
The Prophet (p.b.u.h.) said, "The martyrs are seven, other than the one who is killed in the Way of Allaah, Ta'aalaa:
- one who dies of plague,
- one who drowns,
- one who dies of pleurisy,
- one who dies of stomachache,
- one who dies due to burning

- one who dies under a demolition (by accident)
- a woman who dies with a baby in her womb."
(Maalik, Aboo Dawood, An-Nasaaee, Ibn Maajah, Ibn Hibban, Haakim, Ahmad. Authenticated by al-Albaanee)
The Prophet (p.b.u.h.) said: "Getting killed in the Path of Allaah Ta'aalaa is martyrdom,
- (death in) confinement during childbirth is martyrdom,
- (death by) getting burned (by accident) is martyrdom,
- (death by) drowning (by accident) is martyrdom,
- (death due to) tuberculosis is martyrdom,
- (death due to) stomachache is martyrdom."
(Tabaraanee, Ahmad, authenticated by al-Albaanee)
Someone who "knew" the victim in the biblical sense claims that this 16 year old was at one time his consort.
In a new video you can see the faces of the abductors – no way settlers or Jewish.
Where there is smoke, there is fire.

Dan Friedman


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