Wednesday, January 28, 2009

Please forward to the Moetzes Gedolei Hatorah. Why the 3 Oaths no longer apply. comments from Chaya Witkin and others

bs"d

Shalom Robin,

I just clicked into your blog and started reading it.
You wrote (in the article Clarification for Congressmen: Israel Wants a Palestinian State but do the Jews or do Bible believers? Mishpacha Magazine "Dear Mr. President" by Rabbi Moshe Grylak Editor in Chief):  "those antizionists that justify their existence based on the 3 oaths actually themselves go against the 3 oaths."
 
It isn't clear if you mean the "3 oaths" that are upon the world: 
   - one is that Am Yisrael shouldn't rebel against the nations of the world,
   - another is that Am Yisrael shouldn't go back to Eretz Yisrael and raise a state "b'choma (as a wall e.g. with force)",
  - and the third - that the goyim shouldn't oppress us "too much".
 
The Shoah is considered by many Gedolei hador to have been "too much".  Being so, the 3 OATHS HAVE BEEN BROKEN BY THE GOYIM, SO AM YISRAEL CAN GO BACK TO ERETZ YISRAEL "B'KOACH (with force)" BECAUSE the Oaths HAVE BEEN BROKEN ALREADY.  The Oaths do NOT exist anymore.
 
In short, the 3 oaths no longer apply because the GOYIM broke the Agreement of the 3 Oaths, so that these Oaths haven't applied for over 60 years since the Shoah.  All this is agreed to also by Rav Meir Kahane, and can be read in great detail in his book "Ohr HaRayon" (in Hebrew - Chapter 26 "Shilosha Hashavuot")

Dear Chaya, amv"sh

Excellent!  Please let me expand on what you wrote addressing oaths one and two and to elaborate on oath three: The points raised in this shemittahrediscovered post 
are further proofs that the 3 oaths do no apply in delegitimatizing the State of Israel.  Here are some points that I believe were sent to me by Joe Gemeiner,Toronto.

* As clear as the sun shines in the morning, Israel from the Mediterranean Sea to the Jordan River was given to the Jewish people world wide in 3 legally- binding international treaties - the 1920 San Remo Conference treaty, the  Mandate for Palestine1922,  and The British American covenant regarding Palestine 1924 -  all of which stated unambiguously that Palestine would be reconstituted as a "National homeland for the Jewish people worldwide" based on the recognition of the " Jewish historical ties to that land." Even for the ethically deaf and blind world it's a pretty simple mission to understand.


Fwd: Feiglin's Fatal Flaw

bs"d

Dear List, amv"sh

Paul Eidelberg brings some very strong points objecting to Feiglin being part of the Likud party. I too have the premonition that voting for Feiglin or Shas (they too wish to join with Likud) under Likud is a vote for Netanyahu and Netanyahu's politics.  This mean a willingness to negotiate and establish a Palestinian State.  A vote for Feiglin is a vote for Netanyahu and is no way a vote for Feiglin. It seems to me that in the Likud party, Feiglin is an outsider and has no real clout.

Netanyahu's rhetoric is nice but his voting patterns have been a betrayal of our Covenant with Hashem, shows a disregard of the special sanctity the Jewish people have with the Land of Israel and a betrayal to the Jewish Nation. 

This goes way beyond politics.  A vote for Likud is not consistent with a Torah platform.  Only a vote for NU is.

A vote for NU is a vote for what Feiglin really believes in.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: <eidelberg@foundation1.org>
Date: Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 3:48 AM
Subject: Feiglin's Fatal Flaw
To: list@foundation1.org


Feiglin's Fatal Flaw

 

Paul Eidelberg

 

Israel National News (INN) asked Moshe Feiglin, leader of the Likud's Jewish Leadership faction, to comment on Benjamin Netanyahu's latest remarks regarding a unity government.  Feiglin said, in part: "Our job is to make sure that within the [Likud] party faction, there are enough nationalist MKs who will prevent Netanyahu from carrying out dangerous moves [like supporting a Palestinian state]."  [The present writer will address this last remark later.]


In contrast, National Union party leader Yaakov "Ketzaleh" Katz said that the way to ensure that the Likud remains "nationalistically-oriented is by voting for a party to the right of it."  Moreover, "If the religious-Zionist voters who are now supporting the Likud would vote for the National Union, then many left-wing Likud candidates will not get into the Knesset - while the National Union could get 10 seats! We must not let Feiglin steal away national-religious votes for people like Dan Meridor … and others." [Katz might have added that Meridor may become Justice Minister if included in a Netanyahu cabinet.  This is tantamount to bringing Aharon Barak into the government!]

 

Now let us consider the central issue of the February 10 election.

 

1)     There is abundant evidence that Netanyahu supports a Palestinian state.  Hence, a vote for the Likud is a vote for an Arab state in Israel's heartland, Judea and Samaria.  The same may be said of Kadima.  But since Kadima's leader Tzipi Livni is to the left of Netanyahu, nationalists will prefer a Likud-led government.

2)     Nevertheless, voters should have certain facts in mind about the Netanyahu-Likud record on the territorial issue, specially the following:

           

a.      During his tenure as Israel's prime minister, Netanyahu failed to abrogate the Oslo or Israel-PLO Agreement even though his own office issued daily reports of the PLO's brazen violations of that agreement.

b.      In the Hebron Memorandum of January 30, 1997, Netanyahu surrendered 80 percent of Hebron to the Palestinian Authority (PA).

c.      In the Wye River Memorandum of October 23, 1998, he agreed, for starters, to surrender approximately 30 percent of Judea and Samaria to the PA.

d.      In 2002, that is, even after the Arafat Terror War broke out in September 2000, Netanyahu and his Likud colleagues (with the exception of Naomi Blumenthal) voted against MK Michael Kleiner's resolution to abrogate Oslo.

e.      As a cabinet minister in the Sharon government, and despite the warnings of Israel's highest defense and intelligence officials, Netanyahu voted for unilateral disengagement from Gaza (which, by the way, doesn't prevent him from boasting now and everywhere that he anticipated the dire consequences of that retreat).

f.        Of the Likud's 40 Knesset Members (two were former Israel B'Aliya MKs that joined the Likud), 23 voted for unilateral disengagement on October 26, 2005. 

           

3) In the January 2003 election, the Likud won by 38 seats to Labor's 19. This large plurality enabled PM Sharon to appoint more Likud MKs to his cabinet vis-à-vis MKs from parties to his right on the Palestinian state issue—parties such as National Union.

 

4) A comparable situation will occur in the February 2009 election.  Accordingly, voters who support Feiglin should think strategically: "Although Feiglin urges us to vote Likud, we don't want the Likud to win too large a Knesset plurality—as happened in the 2003 election—because that will allow Netanyahu to stack his cabinet with more Likud MKs vis-à-vis MKs from parties to his right."  

 

5) Therefore, if these "Feiglinites" vote for a party to the right of the Likud—say National Union—they would increase the number of Knesset seats won by that party.  Netanyahu may then have to include MKs from that party in a unity government.  The cabinet would then include NU opponents of a Palestinian state, bolstering "mavericks" from Netanyahu's own party.

 

6) Of course, given a unity government, Netanyahu could appoint enough Kadima (as well as Labor) MKs to his cabinet, to the possible exclusion of National Union.   However, this will depend on the number seats won by these and other parties—and this is speculative.  Besides, I have not forgotten Israeli Beiteinu, which may become the third largest party and complicate Netanyahu's ability to form a unity government supportive of a Palestinian state.

 

7) Speculation aside, there is a fatal flaw in Feiglin's position.  He claims that with more people voting Likud, the Likud will have more MKs opposed to a Palestinian state.  Perhaps, but this overlooks the fact that it will not be new Likud MKs supportive of Feiglin so much as incumbent Likud MKs that Netanyahu will appoint to his cabinet, and their track record on a Palestinian state is not encouraging.  Indeed, by luring more people to vote Likud, Feiglin will enable Netanyahu to appoint more Likud incumbents to the cabinet, hence more MKs who, like Meridor, do not oppose a Palestinian state.

 

This suggests that Feiglin's flaw may be nothing more than a case of tendentiousness, not to say self-promotion.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Tuesday, January 27, 2009

Fwd: Petition against missionizing Jews



---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Yeshayahu Hollander <yeshol@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 3:57 PM
Subject: Petition against missionizing Jews

Shalom Friends,
Please sign a new petition to strengthen the Israeli Law against attempts to convert Jews to Xtianity.
The first Item - whch must be filled in - is the signers full name,
the second may be skipped,
the third - must be filled in - is the city of residence of the signer,
the fourth may be skipped,
and to sign one clicks on the red stamp
 
There are said to be over 100 Xtian groups in Israel, the great majority of which engage in attempts at missionizing.
 
Please forward this to your mailingl list!
 
Yeshayahu Hollander

The link to the petition is:
http://www.atzuma.co.il/petition/meiryad/1

Monday, January 26, 2009

Rabbi Grylak's letter to the President

POINT OF VIEW - Rabbi Moshe Grylak Mishpacha Issue 243
15 Teves  5769
January 21, 2009

Through an impressive, wide-reaching propaganda campaign, they have succeeded in implanting in the minds of many people around the world the false idea that this land was inhabited for generations by a Palestinian nation, and that one day a band of unidentified refugees from Europe came along and expelled this nation from its ancestral land

Dear Mr. President,

I would like to begin by congratulating you on your entry into America's highest office. On this great day in your life, you have become not only the president of the greatest of the world powers, the blessed United States of America, but also the leader of the entire free world. This places tremendous responsibility on your shoulders, a fact of which you are surely aware. And I, a simple Jew from Eretz Yisrael, extend my blessing that the Almighty King of the Universe should help protect you from pride and despair, grant you the wisdom to do what is correct and just, and make you an instrument for carrying out His Will —just as you expressed it in the beautiful, wise words you wrote in the note you hid between the stones of the Western Wall on your visit to Jerusalem.

As you enter your position, I would like to draw your attention to an important truth that apparently, with all due respect, you are not aware of. About a week ago, you made an announcement to the world that I would like to discuss — with your permission, of course. You announced, Mr. President, that you will start working to make peace in the Middle East immediately upon beginning your term as president In your opinion, every president of the United States for the past thirty years has failed at this important task for the simple reason that he neglected the Israel-Arab problem in the early days of his presidency. To your way of thinking, all his beautiful plans were dashed upon the rocks of the absurd reality that prevails in the Middle East, merely because there wasn't enough time to implement them. And you have informed the whole world that this is one of the important tasks you intend to deal with right away.

With all due appreciation for your desire to establish absolute peace between the Arabs and us, I am sorry to say you are bound to fail at this task, just like all your predecessors. Therefore it would be better not even to bother with absolute peace, but rather to put all your efforts into lowering the flames of conflict between us and our bitter enemies via interim arrangements, ceasefire agreements, cooling-off periods, and the like. Not absolute peace — that you'll never achieve. I'm no maven in global politics. I don't have your enormous negotiating talents.  But I do have a deep understanding of our lot here in Eretz Yisrael and an awareness of the  far-reaching roots of this unresolved conflict. And on that basis I can assure you that the peace we all hope for does not depend on any political process whatsoever. Nor does it depend on your sincere determination to do your utmost to achieve this important goal.

Allow me to enumerate my reasons for this categorical statement. First of all, the Arab agenda today is to promote the notion that the "Palestinians" are the ones who were ejected from their homeland. They have rewritten the history of this land in the most astounding way. Through an impressive, wide-reaching propaganda campaign, they have succeeded in implanting in the minds of many people around the world the false idea that this land was inhabited for generations by a Palestinian nation, and that one day a band of unidentified refugees from Europe came along and expelled this nation from its ancestral land.

A year ago, I took part in a conference between a group of Israelis and two Arab-Israeli professors with moderate political views. I asked these professors, "Are you familiar with Jewish history?" and they replied that they had no interest in that topic, because it had nothing to do with our bone of contention, which was this land. Perhaps, they said, there were a few shards of some old synagogue lying about somewhere in the country, but nothing more. This land had always belonged to them, they claimed, and we'd invaded it, just like the Crusaders of medieval times. And these two fellows belong to the "moderate" sector of Israel's Arab population.

And so, Mr. President, as long as the Arabs cling to this version of the "truth," they will never compromise and give up their great dream of casting us into the sea, or giving us all to the US as a present. They may retreat tactically for a little while, knowing our military power, but the whole time they'll be waiting to realize their aspirations. And, Mr. President, there is no difference between moderates and zealots other than in the tactics they use to achieve their desired goal of destroying us, G-d forbid.

Since their propaganda is so effective, and so many people are convinced that it is just as they say — that the State of Israel was born in sin — it is only right that you,as president of a country where the Bible is the Book of Books, should refresh your biblical knowledge a bit and familiarize yourself with the historical facts before you sit down to deal with this painful and convoluted subject. The facts are that the "Palestinian nation" is a fiction, a Muslim fiction whose one and only purpose is the conquest of Eretz Yisrael. Mr. President, when  the Palestinian delegates come to the Oval Office, please ask them first off, "What is the origin of your people's name?" The historical fact they would like to conceal is that when the Romans conquered Eretz Yisrael, as part of their act of conquest they gave the land a new name, Provincia Palestina, after the Philistines who lived in the cities along Israel's southern coast. They were a red-haired tribe who came to Eretz Yisrael from Europe and disappeared from the region about 1,600 years before the birth of Mohammed. There is no connection between the Arabs, who originated in the Arabian Peninsula, and the Philistines — no genetic connection, nor a religious one, nor a cultural, historic, or geographical connection. What we have here is Arabs, not Philistines. The Romans might just as well have dubbed this land Provincia Hollandia. Would that turn the Arabs living in this land into Dutchmen?

Before beginning any negotiations, Mr. President, please ask your Palestinian visitors to present some historical documentation — a historical map, or the testimony of an academically recognized historian who will show you where the State of Palestine was located and indicate when in human history this state existed, or when there was ever a country called Palestine. When in human history has there been a "nation" called the Palestinian people? Ask them, please: Who are you? Where do you come from? What is your connection to the land of Israel? Even the Koran refers to this country as the "land of Israel"! There is British documentation from the Mandate period, Turkish documentation from the Ottoman period, documentation from every occupation of Eretz Yisrael, and in none of these historical records is there any mention of a Palestinian people or a Palestinian state.

Mr. President, I could give you a long list of questions that ought to be posed to Mr. Abbas or whoever the delegates might be who come before you. But I must be brief. At any rate, I would suggest that before any negotiations regarding the "legitimate rights" of the Palestinian entity, you at least read a book by Samuel Langhorne Clemens, better known as Mark Twain. In his travel journal, Innocents Abroad, he devotes many chapters to his tour of the Holy Land in 1867. He says not a word about any Palestinians dwelling in flourishing towns or villages. No. He saw nothing but a wasteland, a place of swamps, cholera, malaria, and barren deserts. "We did not see a soul during the entire journey," Twain writes. "Everywhere we went there was no tree or shrub." I would also recommend From Time Immemorial by Joan Peters, in particular the chapter that discusses the Palestinian fiction and its inventors. Ask your "Palestinian" guests about it.

This doesn't mean we have no obligation to allow the masses of Arabs residing in Eretz Yisrael to live respectably. But as long as we're sitting down to talk with them about "legitimate rights" to the land itself, there can be no peace, and no amount of political talent will change that.

However, Mr. President, there is a deeper truth, a more fundamental reason peace will not come to this land through human efforts: The fight over this land is not a struggle for rights on the political or military plane. Perhaps some sort of solution may be found on this plane. But you must understand that what is unfolding in this country is not a war between Israelis and Palestinians, but the continuation of the ancient struggle between Yitzchak and Yishmael. Palestinians and Israelis are merely the facade of something truer and deeper. It is a war that neither you nor anyone else can settle. It is a spiritual, mystical war that depends upon the Redemption of Israel, and through it the Redemption of all humanity. Maybe one of your Jewish advisers has access to the source material and can provide you with the data on this subject: its essence, how it will end, and what can be done to end it.

I will end as I began, with my best wishes that you merit the blessing of the Master of the Universe in themomentous task that Providence has placed on your shoulders.


FOOD FOR THOUGHT
Without
HaKadosh Baruch
Hu, one can't
even cross the
threshold of one's
house.
With Him, one
can split the sea
(Rabbi Mordechai
Melchovitz)



Sunday, January 25, 2009

Jonathan Pollard - Have every stone really been left unturned?

bs"d

 I strongly disagree that Pollards team left every stone unturned.

The Pollard campaign have consistently and stubbornly refused to speak out for our entitlement of all of Eretz Yisroel and against a Palestinian State and neither have they expressed strong disapproval of American and Israeli financial (USAID) and political support for "moderate" Fatah whose ideology is not that different than Hamas.

I would not put the total blame on a political leader in Israel such as Livni who failed to ask Bush for clemency.   There is a reason she and her fellow politicians didn't speak out.  They don't want to admit that their current policies in promoting a Palestinian State is supporting terror threatening Israel just like it did in the past when Jonathan Pollard attempted single handedly to do something about it.

The problem goes much deeper than simplyLivni's betrayal of Jonathan Pollard.  It is about American Foreign Policy who is in cahoots with the Government of Israel in betraying the Nation of Israel by their willingness to give away our birthright thereby endangering Israel, and the entire world.

This in my opinion is what is keeping Jonathan Pollard in Jail.

When Pollard will defend his decision to transfer intelligence that was rightfully due Israel and necessary to protect Israel from a terrorist regime, then perhaps G-d will perform miracles on his behalf.

Apologies on the part of Pollard are said in return for the hope of freedom but is it truly heartfelt or morally justified?

Yes, sometimes it appears that the truth seems to make matters worse.  Moshe Rabbeinu asked G-d "Lama Haraeosa?"  Why did you make things worse for the Jews when I approached Pharoh?  Pharoh after all intensified the suffering of the Jews.

Yet, G-d replies, Just witness the great miracles of redemption that is about to happen!

Saturday, January 03, 2009 Shemittah Rediscovered

Jonathan Pollard - Why isn't America expressing remorse?


22 January 2009  J4JPnew January 21, 2009

Why was the Pollard clemency bid dismissed?