Friday, June 17, 2022

Fwd: Being connected with reality... Rabbi Smith replies with clarity on Israel's role in having stewardship of the Land and why we were exiled in the first place

Bsd

Thank you Rabbi Smith for such unbelievable clarity!

Rabbi Smith's letter below was in response to correspondence between Nadia Matar of the Sovereignty Movement and myself  where I asked Nadia for her input to the idea of establishing a prototype Sovereign Torah Autonomy in Judea and Samaria.  

My intention let me clarify is and was not chas Vesholom  to establish a separate disconnected enemy State to the existing State of Israel and be divisive but rather to establish a prototype Sovereign sister Torah autonomy side by side the State of Israel. The end goal is the unification of a Sovereign Israel true to Hashem's vision.

Fyi background correspondence 

Sunday, June 12, 2022
Nadia, they want to build a Palestinian State- Your thoughts
"Shemittah Rediscovered: They want to build a Palestinian State- Your thoughts" https://shemittahrediscovered.blogspot.com/2022/06/they-want-to-build-palestinian-state.html?m=0

Robin responds June 16, 2022 to Nadia's reply that Robin is not connected to reality. Robin sites numerous examples how she is definitely connected to a very disturbing reality and therefore more than ever we need an Almighty G-d on our side.
"Shemittah Rediscovered: Re: Being connected with reality..." https://shemittahrediscovered.blogspot.com/2022/06/re-being-connected-with-reality.html?m=1

Nadia then responds why Robin fails to push Aliya en masse which in Nadia's vision is the correct approach.  Robin responds in kind June 16 that Aliya in and of itself is not sufficient. Promoting and educating G-d's Vision and agenda for Jews dwelling in the Land and in the Diaspora and by extension educating His Vision for the  Nations of the world will be the catalyst for mass Aliya and the Nations too will stream to Israel.
"Shemittah Rediscovered: Re: cont. Being connected with reality..." https://shemittahrediscovered.blogspot.com/2022/06/re-being-connected-with-reality_16.html?m=1

Rabbi Smith in this letter powerfully clarifies that the purpose of dispersion in Galus is to fulfill the Jews mission of bringing G-d's light unto the Nations. The Nation of Israel were forced into exile as a result of not doing what they were supposed to do when they were Sovereign in the Land.  Rabbi Smith brings much clarity to the debate.


---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Passaic Clarity <passaicclarity@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Jun 16, 2022, 10:16 PM
Subject: Re: Being connected with reality...
To: Robin Ticker <faigerayzel@gmail.com>


B"H

It seems that the Aliyah process is designed to eradicate the internal strength of the Jew to make things right.  A person who subjects himself to an "approval process" to dwell in the Holy Land which already belongs to him is acknowledging the authority of the State of Israel.  

However, the only true stewards of the Holy Land are the Jewish People, not the State of Israel.

But by going through the Aliyah process a person transfers (in his mind) his ownership to the State because he is looking for approval and free benefits.  But free benefits are slavery to the authority of the State.  It is in Marxism where the State is a thing that must be respected and lived with no matter how bad the State is.

And we see that tragically, Americans, who are supposed to be inculcated with the American idea of the leadership of the people, move to Israel and become completely silent and inactive (generally) and acquiesce to the State.  They may complain at kiddush and on What's App groups but they have built a world view in which the State is the authority and therefore can only be screamed at and complained about but not actually replaced.  Even those who want to do something have built into their thinking that they need to struggle to redirect the State.

The situation is worse than under the Ottomans and under the British.

I suspect that (and I hope that someone will do this calculation) that the number of Jews murdered in Israel since 1948 as a result of the surrender and inaction policies of the State far exceed the number (even per capita) under the Ottoman and British.

Rachmana L'itzlan.

Now if I am correct, then the insistence that everyone make Aliyah under the State authority is actually designed to eliminate the independent thinking that comes from seeing reality more accurately free of the State's handouts and bring all Jews under the State.

I applaud you for pointing out that a Jew is a full Jew in any place in the world - in every place he is required to be a full Jew and in fact, we were scattered into the diaspora to accomplish what we had failed to do in our stewardship of the Holy Land, namely to be a Light Unto the Nations, specifically by teaching the Sheva Mitzvos Bnai Noach.  To strip the world of the influence of Jews and concentrate all the Jews into one place where the attitude is to refuse to be a Light Unto the Nations and to, even in the Holy Land, completely ignore the obligation to teach the non-Jews in the Holy Land, is not a recipe for the fulfillment of G-d Al-mighty's vision for His Creations.

You may ask your friends how many non-Jews they teach Sheva Mitzvos to on a weekly basis.

If they say none, it reveals that with all their judging others for not living in the Holy Land, they themselves do not understand what it means to be a Jew living in the Holy Land.

The Holy Land is Holy from the beginning of Creation.  G-d Al-mighty gifted it us so that we can be its stewards, a Holy Nation stewards of the Holy Land on behalf of the entire world.  It is a merit to steward the Holy Land that is inseparable from the responsibility to care for the nations as the Father of the Nations.

Anyone who only wants the merit but rejects the responsibility is missing the point and is handicapped in their thinking and causing immeasurable suffering to the Jewish and non-Jewish residents of the Holy Land and the inhabitants of the world as a whole.

The surprising result of this is that we realize that our job is to not only educate the non-Jews to realize and live in accordance to their being created in G-d Al-mighty's image, but also to educate the Jews to realize and live like a Jew.

Besuros Tovos,

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Thursday, June 16, 2022

Re: cont. Being connected with reality...

Bsd

Dear Nadia and Yehudit, amvsh

Bh Im glad at least we are brainstorming.

I too Chas Veshalom do not want to divide Israel! We are on the same page!

Here is where I am coming from...
I originally started as a computer programmer. When software is programmed there are always bugs. Therefore it would be a mistake to put the software into production until it is tested and then tested as a prototype on a small scale and only when most of the bugs are taken care of.  The software is then approved for large scale production. The Nation of Israel is not yet a Kli, a vessel, to even consider a Torah Autonomy. However the Jews living in  Judea and Samaria are predominantly G-d fearing Torah observing Jews. The idea is to start very small scale, to brainstorm and work out the kinks. Surely once the entire Israel gets a taste of how a Torah economy can eventually function, there will be a thirst for more. Doesn't Hashem promise that the Nations of the world will say about the Nation of Israel "Am Chacham veNavon", a smart and wise Nation?


Relating to the discussion of every Jew making Aliya:

Of course Jews should be making Aliya. This must be done in parallel with yearning for G-d's Kingdom in the world.  This translates to exposing and protesting government policies that are coming from a greater global agenda that rejects G-d and His commandments.  In Israel, global forces push to oppress those who openly push for a government and judicial system and economy that is closer to a G-dly vision and Hebraic Law. This means not being satisfied with the existing hodge podge of Turkish, British and Israeli law. 

The world is very scary as law and order, truth and justice are no longer  governing the masses but rather a foreign New World Order.

It is Hashem who will return the exiles but that is dependent on us. We are expected to collectively return to Hashem and keep His commandments.

The 7 Noahide Laws for Nations of the world are currently under assault, on our watch, both in the Diaspora and and in Israel. Never in my life have I witnessed such evil forces pushing an anti G-d agenda. The Nation of Israel should be  educating the world in order to fill the void. This void is a terrible Chillul Hashem, that has been filled with their New World Order. 

When G-d's laws reign, aka Malchut Shamayim, not only will
 Jews will stream to Israel but so too will all the Nations of the world. These are the prophesies we read about.

The root to accomplish such a lofty goals, to allow this transformation to occur, is not merely by making Aliya according to the criteria of the Jewish Agency, filling all the paper work etc. 

It is not important that every Jew becomes an Oleh of the State of Israel.

It should be sufficient  for a Jew be a descendent of Avraham Yitzhak and Yaakov and keep the commandments and even if a Jew is not residing in the Holy Land they still theoretically have a Nachala, an inheritance passed down from their forefathers that gives them G-d Given rights to the Land, rights no different than one who has a Teudat Zehut, that is an Israeli citizen by today's definition of being an Israeli citizen.

 Lets make our goal to take Galus, a mindset of being in Exile, out of the Jew wherever the Jew resides, be it the Diaspora or the Holy  Land. 

Every individual Jew wherever they reside should feel they are an essential part of  unified whole, namely the Nation of Israel. While one who actually resides in the Holy Land is privileged to be worthy to live in Eretz Yisroel, our Precious and Holy Land, still, can they claim  that their rights to the Land of Eretz Yisroel exceeds their brothers and sisters still residing in the Diaspora?

The Nation of israel is not defined just by who made Aliya.  

It therefore follows that collectively we need to be ready to change our mindset. Every Jew whether or not they made official Aliya  has the same obligations to protect Eretz Yisroel and to keep the commandments  whether these commandments  are Teluyot Baaretz, dependent on the Land, and/or not teluyot BaAretz. 

The Halachic criteria defining who is a Jew should therefore define who is a citizen of Israel rather than the existing  criteria of the Jewish Agency. 

The physical act of making Aliya, is a tremendous accomplishment but should not take way from the status of any Halachic Jew and their rights to be a full fledged Citizen of the Land of Israel and making a difference as you yourself suggest.

I hope this clarifies your question by explaining that making Aliya is an unnecessary prerequisite for being counted in the Nation of Israel. In fact, what is suggested is an alternative criteria to determine who is a citizen of Israel. 

Therefore, a collective yearning for a Global Heavenly Kingdom especially in the Land of Israel,  and keeping the Torah Commandments is the primary focus rather than Aliya per se.


On Thu, Jun 16, 2022, 2:29 AM Nadia Matar <nadiamatar1966@gmail.com> wrote:
Amazing how you never relate to the issue of the obligation of every Torah Jew to make aliya.
Living in Galut, no matter how well you keep Shabbos and Kashrut, one is still a handicapped Jew-
not to talk about the fact that in galut you have absolutely no input on what is going on in Eretz HaKodesh.
It's like being a passive spectator in a football game, while you should be on the field,
making a difference. 

Anyway, I am all in favor of Torah ruling. For all of Israel. Sovereignty is exactly about that. 
What I oppose and what I said is disconnected with reality, is your idea of calling for a separate Torah autonomy only in Judea and samaria.
In other words you want the half a million jews of Judea and samaria to disconnect from Israel and create a Torah autonomy in J&S.
That is completely disconnected from reality.

So I say: Let's bring to israel another 1 million Torah observant Jews  (who anyway shouldnt be living in Galut),
that will add dozens of more seats in the Knesset for Torah observant Jews,
and all of Israel will benefit from it. 
Promoting a separate Torah autonomy is a waste of time and is fundamentally wrong. We've been divided enough.
Koltuv

‫בתאריך יום ה׳, 16 ביוני 2022 ב-7:51 מאת ‪Robin Ticker‬‏ <‪faigerayzel@gmail.com‬‏>:‬
Bsd

אל המקום אשר...

Dear Nadia and Yehudit, amvsh

Is Jonathan Pollard disconnected from reality?
Jonathan Pollard: Israel is heading to disaster
'I'm waiting for a real Jewish leader.' Pollard slams government, compares life in Israel to his time in prison. 'This never ends well.'

As Esther Pollard asked "Do you feel the pain of the people"

Has the Sovereign Movement, or have the leaders, either spiritual and political in Yesha, united in protest, regarding the unlawful  miscarriage of justice with Amiram ben Uliel who is sentenced for life with cruel and harsh imprisonment for already close to 7 years? He is sentenced for a crime he never committed with no evidence other than his own forced confession following torture!

The reality is that political forces divide and conquer the Settlers and the communities in Judea and Samaria and every organization is in it for themselves.

Where is Ein Od Milvado? What are we afraid of?

Perhaps if we unite and protest, Amiram ben Uliel would be home with his family, Ahuvia Sandek might still be alive...Elisha Odess would not have been traumatized..

Yet we tolerate Inui Hadin.  Delaying justice. 

Is making believe Duma never happened and turning a blind eye to injustice and the pain and suffering of fellow Jews who are political scapegoats, consistent with being connected with reality?

Why is the suggestion of a Palestinian Autonomy connected to reality but a suggestion of a Torah Autonomy isn't?

Is reality simply playing the political game or is reality the courage to expose the sick reality and risk serious backlash ?

Are we so afraid of a govt who spies on its G-d fearing citizens, and afraid of being marginalized and branded as religious fanatics, for daring to be proud to dream for Torah leadership?

What is the real meaning of Sovereignty? 

Does being Sovereign translate into becoming enslaved to evil forces who dictate how much of Torah we can strive for before they decide it's gone too far?   Is this the meaning of being connected to reality?

Here is another example of being connected to reality.

United with Israel
WATCH: BDS Mapping Project 'Laying Groundwork for Kristallnacht 2.0'

BDS activists in Boston recently released an interactive map they claim reveals the connections between "Zionist leaders and major NGOs."
The map included not only Jewish organizations but schools and synagogues as well as staff members' names.

So yes, I am connected to a reality so disturbing that the only solution is Ein Od Milvado, an Almighty G-d. If we want Him on our side we now need to keep His Commandments and be loyal to His, a G-d fearing agenda!
לא בשמים היא...

The Torah clearly spells out the process of Returning to Him and to Eretz Yisroel.

Being connected to G-d and connected to Torah for Jews and Torah for non Jews is the only reality.  Being disconnected from Torah is being disconnected from reality.

Please read this Perek as it spells out how Hashem will  return the exiles to Zion.
Devarim Perek ל 30

Our return is dependent on us Returning to Hashem and keeping His commanndments.

I find it sweet that those who pray for the welfare of Amiram ben Uliel every day say the following and mean it with their heart and soul.  They wait for a verdict on Amiram's appeal which is not forthcoming in spite of all the evidence of his innocence.  

Obviously the judges can't bring themselves to admit and confess their own guilt. Who will judge the judges?

...May Hashem hear our cries and  BEH may Amiram ben Nurit like Yosef HaTzadik be released from bondage and be zocheh to bring a Korban Toda and may we merit to see Moshiach  Tzidkeinu  and the rebuilding of the Beit HaMikdash Bimheira Beyameinu Amen!

Posted on Shemittahrediscovered.blogspot.com on June 16, 2022

On Sun, Jun 12, 2022, 6:23 PM Nadia Matar <nadiamatar1966@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Robin

Your idea of a Torah autonomy is so disconnected with reality and shows how you are not in touch with what is going on here in israel,  
that I don't know even know where to start to explain things to you.

I appreciate your care and worry for israel from far- but in the end, for anyone who wants to promote any idea or solution- one needs to make sure 
that one has a large group of people supporting such ideas
When another million Torah observant Jews would actually leave Galut and come to israel on Aliya- and settle in Judea and samaria,
you won't need any out of the box unrealistic autonomy plans- you simply would have a situation where there would be a clear rightwing Torah observant majority
 that would form a real rightwing government with no problem

So instead of promoting plans that are disconnected from reality- let's promote the aliya of one million Torah observant Jews
and you will see how things will change for the better in israel.

Koltuv
Nadia Matar

‫בתאריך יום א׳, 12 ביוני 2022 ב-20:01 מאת ‪Robin Ticker‬‏ <‪faigerayzel@gmail.com‬‏>:‬
Bsd

Dear Nadia and Yehudit, amv"sh

אל המקום אשר...

What are your thoughts on these?


A Palestinian state is on the way

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT6BTcsJLrE


Fyi


I am once again sending you a proposal for a prototype  Torah Autonomy for Judea and Samaria that needs to be reconsidered in light of global current events. 


Please note that the intention is not G-d forbid to divide the Jewish people and or the Government and State of Israel.  The opposite. It is for Israel to survive with Unity as G-d intended. It is to present ideas that are out of the box that has never recently been seriously publicly considered, analyzed and debated.


Actually such a discussion took place in Marianbad in 1937 by the Moetzet Gedolei Hatorah and the Resolution was for Israel to be a State governed by Torah laws.


The time simply was not ripe.


Perhaps now the time is more ripe.


Why is the suggestion of a small scale prototype Torah Autonomy in Judea and Samaria  considered divisive while an anti G-d plan that is being created with facts on the ground coming from an alliance of the EU and the Civil Authority not considered divisive?


Why is this? After all, the latter solution clearly endangers and abandons our Jewish G-d fearing brothers and sisters living in Judea and Samaria?


This is probably because the closer we get to forming a G-d fearing Government in Israel and elsewhere with G-d fearing laws,  be it in Israel or the Diaspora, it greatly threatens the evil Anti G-d Global forces who are pushing their agenda, an agenda to remove G-d from the narrative. 


In NY we feel it strongly as they push to force a very hostile curriculum on Jewish Orthodox Yeshivas. Their agenda pushes the negation of the 7 Noahide laws with GENDER studies and late term abortion indoctrination on little children.



This post is therefore as relevant today as then and probably more urgent.


Let me end with a parable brought by Rabbi Akiva. Thank you Rabbi Smith who brought down this parable in this weeks Parsha Naso class.


Rabbi Yitzchok Dovid Smith Imperative for Life to Teach Jewish Kids (and Adults) Torah... and non Jewish Kids (and Adults) Torah for non-Jews!

https://shemittahrediscovered.blogspot.com/2022/06/rabbi-yitzchok-dovid-smith-imperative.html?m=1


 and tied it to the educational crisis happening in Yeshivas.


Can G-d fearing Jews live side by side peacefully with a Palestinian Autonomy? Impossible.


Berakhot 61b

The William Davidson Talmud(Koren - Steinsaltz)


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תָּנוּ רַבָּנַן: פַּעַם אַחַת גָּזְרָה מַלְכוּת הָרְשָׁעָה שֶׁלֹּא יַעַסְקוּ יִשְׂרָאֵל בַּתּוֹרָה. בָּא פַּפּוּס בֶּן יְהוּדָה וּמְצָאוֹ לְרַבִּי עֲקִיבָא שֶׁהָיָה מַקְהִיל קְהִלּוֹת בָּרַבִּים וְעוֹסֵק בַּתּוֹרָה. אָמַר לוֹ: עֲקִיבָא אִי אַתָּה מִתְיָרֵא מִפְּנֵי מַלְכוּת?

The Gemara relates at length how Rabbi Akiva fulfilled these directives. The Sages taught: One time, after the bar Kokheva rebellion, the evil empire of Rome decreed that Israel may not engage in the study and practice of Torah. Pappos ben Yehuda came and found Rabbi Akiva, who was convening assemblies in public and engaging in Torah study. Pappos said to him: Akiva, are you not afraid of the empire?

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אָמַר לוֹ: אֶמְשׁוֹל לְךָ מָשָׁל, לְמָה הַדָּבָר דּוֹמֶה — לְשׁוּעָל שֶׁהָיָה מְהַלֵּךְ עַל גַּב הַנָּהָר, וְרָאָה דָּגִים שֶׁהָיוּ מִתְקַבְּצִים מִמָּקוֹם לְמָקוֹם. אָמַר לָהֶם: מִפְּנֵי מָה אַתֶּם בּוֹרְחִים? אָמְרוּ לוֹ: מִפְּנֵי רְשָׁתוֹת שֶׁמְּבִיאִין עָלֵינוּ בְּנֵי אָדָם. אָמַר לָהֶם: רְצוֹנְכֶם שֶׁתַּעֲלוּ לַיַּבָּשָׁה, וְנָדוּר אֲנִי וְאַתֶּם, כְּשֵׁם שֶׁדָּרוּ אֲבוֹתַי עִם אֲבוֹתֵיכֶם? אָמְרוּ לוֹ: אַתָּה הוּא שֶׁאוֹמְרִים עָלֶיךָ פִּקֵּחַ שֶׁבַּחַיּוֹת?! לֹא פִּקֵּחַ אַתָּה, אֶלָּא טִפֵּשׁ אַתָּה! וּמָה בִּמְקוֹם חִיּוּתֵנוּ, אָנוּ מִתְיָרְאִין, בִּמְקוֹם מִיתָתֵנוּ — עַל אַחַת כַּמָּה וְכַמָּה. אַף אֲנַחְנוּ עַכְשָׁיו שֶׁאָנוּ יוֹשְׁבִים וְעוֹסְקִים בַּתּוֹרָה, שֶׁכָּתוּב בָּהּ: ״כִּי הוּא חַיֶּיךָ וְאֹרֶךְ יָמֶיךָ״, כָּךְ, אִם אָנוּ הוֹלְכִים וּמְבַטְּלִים מִמֶּנָּה — עַל אַחַת כַּמָּה וְכַמָּה!

Rabbi Akiva answered him: I will relate a parable. To what can this be compared? It is like a fox walking along a riverbank when he sees fish gathering and fleeing from place to place.

The fox said to them: From what are you fleeing?

They said to him: We are fleeing from the nets that people cast upon us.

He said to them: Do you wish to come up onto dry land, and we will reside together just as my ancestors resided with your ancestors?

The fish said to him: You are the one of whom they say, he is the cleverest of animals? You are not clever; you are a fool. If we are afraid in the water, our natural habitat which gives us life, then in a habitat that causes our death, all the more so.

The moral is: So too, we Jews, now that we sit and engage in Torah study, about which it is written: "For that is your life, and the length of your days" (Deuteronomy 30:20), we fear the empire to this extent; if we proceed to sit idle from its study, as its abandonment is the habitat that causes our death, all the more so will we fear the empire.

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Merely starting a discussion for a prototype Torah Autonomy in Judea and Samaria will bring fear in those who are creating facts on the ground for a Palestinian State. This is worthy to fight for with all our hearts and soul.


A Historic New Beginning as Sovereignty is on Hold. My letter to AFSI - Thinking out of the Box - A Judean Autonomy.

https://shemittahrediscovered.blogspot.com/2020/09/fwd-historic-new-beginning-as.html?m=1


Posted on Shemittahrediscovered.blogspot.com June 12, 2022


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Wednesday, June 15, 2022

Re: Being connected with reality...

Bsd

אל המקום אשר...

Dear Nadia and Yehudit, amvsh

Is Jonathan Pollard disconnected from reality?
Jonathan Pollard: Israel is heading to disaster
'I'm waiting for a real Jewish leader.' Pollard slams government, compares life in Israel to his time in prison. 'This never ends well.'

As Esther Pollard asked "Do you feel the pain of the people"

Has the Sovereign Movement, or have the leaders, either spiritual and political in Yesha, united in protest, regarding the unlawful  miscarriage of justice with Amiram ben Uliel who is sentenced for life with cruel and harsh imprisonment for already close to 7 years? He is sentenced for a crime he never committed with no evidence other than his own forced confession following torture!

The reality is that political forces divide and conquer the Settlers and the communities in Judea and Samaria and every organization is in it for themselves.

Where is Ein Od Milvado? What are we afraid of?

Perhaps if we unite and protest, Amiram ben Uliel would be home with his family, Ahuvia Sandek might still be alive...Elisha Odess would not have been traumatized..

Yet we tolerate Inui Hadin.  Delaying justice. 

Is making believe Duma never happened and turning a blind eye to injustice and the pain and suffering of fellow Jews who are political scapegoats, consistent with being connected with reality?

Why is the suggestion of a Palestinian Autonomy connected to reality but a suggestion of a Torah Autonomy isn't?

Is reality simply playing the political game or is reality the courage to expose the sick reality and risk serious backlash ?

Are we so afraid of a govt who spies on its G-d fearing citizens, and afraid of being marginalized and branded as religious fanatics, for daring to be proud to dream for Torah leadership?

What is the real meaning of Sovereignty? 

Does being Sovereign translate into becoming enslaved to evil forces who dictate how much of Torah we can strive for before they decide it's gone too far?   Is this the meaning of being connected to reality?

Here is another example of being connected to reality.

United with Israel
WATCH: BDS Mapping Project 'Laying Groundwork for Kristallnacht 2.0'

BDS activists in Boston recently released an interactive map they claim reveals the connections between "Zionist leaders and major NGOs."
The map included not only Jewish organizations but schools and synagogues as well as staff members' names.

So yes, I am connected to a reality so disturbing that the only solution is Ein Od Milvado, an Almighty G-d. If we want Him on our side we now need to keep His Commandments and be loyal to His, a G-d fearing agenda!
לא בשמים היא...

The Torah clearly spells out the process of Returning to Him and to Eretz Yisroel.

Being connected to G-d and connected to Torah for Jews and Torah for non Jews is the only reality.  Being disconnected from Torah is being disconnected from reality.

Please read this Perek as it spells out how Hashem will  return the exiles to Zion.
Devarim Perek ל 30

Our return is dependent on us Returning to Hashem and keeping His commanndments.

I find it sweet that those who pray for the welfare of Amiram ben Uliel every day say the following and mean it with their heart and soul.  They wait for a verdict on Amiram's appeal which is not forthcoming in spite of all the evidence of his innocence.  

Obviously the judges can't bring themselves to admit and confess their own guilt. Who will judge the judges?

...May Hashem hear our cries and  BEH may Amiram ben Nurit like Yosef HaTzadik be released from bondage and be zocheh to bring a Korban Toda and may we merit to see Moshiach  Tzidkeinu  and the rebuilding of the Beit HaMikdash Bimheira Beyameinu Amen!

Posted on Shemittahrediscovered.blogspot.com on June 16, 2022

On Sun, Jun 12, 2022, 6:23 PM Nadia Matar <nadiamatar1966@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Robin

Your idea of a Torah autonomy is so disconnected with reality and shows how you are not in touch with what is going on here in israel,  
that I don't know even know where to start to explain things to you.

I appreciate your care and worry for israel from far- but in the end, for anyone who wants to promote any idea or solution- one needs to make sure 
that one has a large group of people supporting such ideas
When another million Torah observant Jews would actually leave Galut and come to israel on Aliya- and settle in Judea and samaria,
you won't need any out of the box unrealistic autonomy plans- you simply would have a situation where there would be a clear rightwing Torah observant majority
 that would form a real rightwing government with no problem

So instead of promoting plans that are disconnected from reality- let's promote the aliya of one million Torah observant Jews
and you will see how things will change for the better in israel.

Koltuv
Nadia Matar

‫בתאריך יום א׳, 12 ביוני 2022 ב-20:01 מאת ‪Robin Ticker‬‏ <‪faigerayzel@gmail.com‬‏>:‬
Bsd

Dear Nadia and Yehudit, amv"sh

אל המקום אשר...

What are your thoughts on these?


A Palestinian state is on the way

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT6BTcsJLrE


Fyi


I am once again sending you a proposal for a prototype  Torah Autonomy for Judea and Samaria that needs to be reconsidered in light of global current events. 


Please note that the intention is not G-d forbid to divide the Jewish people and or the Government and State of Israel.  The opposite. It is for Israel to survive with Unity as G-d intended. It is to present ideas that are out of the box that has never recently been seriously publicly considered, analyzed and debated.


Actually such a discussion took place in Marianbad in 1937 by the Moetzet Gedolei Hatorah and the Resolution was for Israel to be a State governed by Torah laws.


The time simply was not ripe.


Perhaps now the time is more ripe.


Why is the suggestion of a small scale prototype Torah Autonomy in Judea and Samaria  considered divisive while an anti G-d plan that is being created with facts on the ground coming from an alliance of the EU and the Civil Authority not considered divisive?


Why is this? After all, the latter solution clearly endangers and abandons our Jewish G-d fearing brothers and sisters living in Judea and Samaria?


This is probably because the closer we get to forming a G-d fearing Government in Israel and elsewhere with G-d fearing laws,  be it in Israel or the Diaspora, it greatly threatens the evil Anti G-d Global forces who are pushing their agenda, an agenda to remove G-d from the narrative. 


In NY we feel it strongly as they push to force a very hostile curriculum on Jewish Orthodox Yeshivas. Their agenda pushes the negation of the 7 Noahide laws with GENDER studies and late term abortion indoctrination on little children.



This post is therefore as relevant today as then and probably more urgent.


Let me end with a parable brought by Rabbi Akiva. Thank you Rabbi Smith who brought down this parable in this weeks Parsha Naso class.


Rabbi Yitzchok Dovid Smith Imperative for Life to Teach Jewish Kids (and Adults) Torah... and non Jewish Kids (and Adults) Torah for non-Jews!

https://shemittahrediscovered.blogspot.com/2022/06/rabbi-yitzchok-dovid-smith-imperative.html?m=1


 and tied it to the educational crisis happening in Yeshivas.


Can G-d fearing Jews live side by side peacefully with a Palestinian Autonomy? Impossible.


Berakhot 61b

The William Davidson Talmud(Koren - Steinsaltz)


6

תָּנוּ רַבָּנַן: פַּעַם אַחַת גָּזְרָה מַלְכוּת הָרְשָׁעָה שֶׁלֹּא יַעַסְקוּ יִשְׂרָאֵל בַּתּוֹרָה. בָּא פַּפּוּס בֶּן יְהוּדָה וּמְצָאוֹ לְרַבִּי עֲקִיבָא שֶׁהָיָה מַקְהִיל קְהִלּוֹת בָּרַבִּים וְעוֹסֵק בַּתּוֹרָה. אָמַר לוֹ: עֲקִיבָא אִי אַתָּה מִתְיָרֵא מִפְּנֵי מַלְכוּת?

The Gemara relates at length how Rabbi Akiva fulfilled these directives. The Sages taught: One time, after the bar Kokheva rebellion, the evil empire of Rome decreed that Israel may not engage in the study and practice of Torah. Pappos ben Yehuda came and found Rabbi Akiva, who was convening assemblies in public and engaging in Torah study. Pappos said to him: Akiva, are you not afraid of the empire?

7

אָמַר לוֹ: אֶמְשׁוֹל לְךָ מָשָׁל, לְמָה הַדָּבָר דּוֹמֶה — לְשׁוּעָל שֶׁהָיָה מְהַלֵּךְ עַל גַּב הַנָּהָר, וְרָאָה דָּגִים שֶׁהָיוּ מִתְקַבְּצִים מִמָּקוֹם לְמָקוֹם. אָמַר לָהֶם: מִפְּנֵי מָה אַתֶּם בּוֹרְחִים? אָמְרוּ לוֹ: מִפְּנֵי רְשָׁתוֹת שֶׁמְּבִיאִין עָלֵינוּ בְּנֵי אָדָם. אָמַר לָהֶם: רְצוֹנְכֶם שֶׁתַּעֲלוּ לַיַּבָּשָׁה, וְנָדוּר אֲנִי וְאַתֶּם, כְּשֵׁם שֶׁדָּרוּ אֲבוֹתַי עִם אֲבוֹתֵיכֶם? אָמְרוּ לוֹ: אַתָּה הוּא שֶׁאוֹמְרִים עָלֶיךָ פִּקֵּחַ שֶׁבַּחַיּוֹת?! לֹא פִּקֵּחַ אַתָּה, אֶלָּא טִפֵּשׁ אַתָּה! וּמָה בִּמְקוֹם חִיּוּתֵנוּ, אָנוּ מִתְיָרְאִין, בִּמְקוֹם מִיתָתֵנוּ — עַל אַחַת כַּמָּה וְכַמָּה. אַף אֲנַחְנוּ עַכְשָׁיו שֶׁאָנוּ יוֹשְׁבִים וְעוֹסְקִים בַּתּוֹרָה, שֶׁכָּתוּב בָּהּ: ״כִּי הוּא חַיֶּיךָ וְאֹרֶךְ יָמֶיךָ״, כָּךְ, אִם אָנוּ הוֹלְכִים וּמְבַטְּלִים מִמֶּנָּה — עַל אַחַת כַּמָּה וְכַמָּה!

Rabbi Akiva answered him: I will relate a parable. To what can this be compared? It is like a fox walking along a riverbank when he sees fish gathering and fleeing from place to place.

The fox said to them: From what are you fleeing?

They said to him: We are fleeing from the nets that people cast upon us.

He said to them: Do you wish to come up onto dry land, and we will reside together just as my ancestors resided with your ancestors?

The fish said to him: You are the one of whom they say, he is the cleverest of animals? You are not clever; you are a fool. If we are afraid in the water, our natural habitat which gives us life, then in a habitat that causes our death, all the more so.

The moral is: So too, we Jews, now that we sit and engage in Torah study, about which it is written: "For that is your life, and the length of your days" (Deuteronomy 30:20), we fear the empire to this extent; if we proceed to sit idle from its study, as its abandonment is the habitat that causes our death, all the more so will we fear the empire.

-----


Merely starting a discussion for a prototype Torah Autonomy in Judea and Samaria will bring fear in those who are creating facts on the ground for a Palestinian State. This is worthy to fight for with all our hearts and soul.


A Historic New Beginning as Sovereignty is on Hold. My letter to AFSI - Thinking out of the Box - A Judean Autonomy.

https://shemittahrediscovered.blogspot.com/2020/09/fwd-historic-new-beginning-as.html?m=1


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Sunday, June 12, 2022

They want to build a Palestinian State- Your thoughts

Bsd

Dear Nadia and Yehudit, amv"sh

אל המקום אשר...

What are your thoughts on these?


A Palestinian state is on the way

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT6BTcsJLrE


Fyi


I am once again sending you a proposal for a prototype  Torah Autonomy for Judea and Samaria that needs to be reconsidered in light of global current events. 


Please note that the intention is not G-d forbid to divide the Jewish people and or the Government and State of Israel.  The opposite. It is for Israel to survive with Unity as G-d intended. It is to present ideas that are out of the box that has never recently been seriously publicly considered, analyzed and debated.


Actually such a discussion took place in Marianbad in 1937 by the Moetzet Gedolei Hatorah and the Resolution was for Israel to be a State governed by Torah laws.


The time simply was not ripe.


Perhaps now the time is more ripe.


Why is the suggestion of a small scale prototype Torah Autonomy in Judea and Samaria  considered divisive while an anti G-d plan that is being created with facts on the ground coming from an alliance of the EU and the Civil Authority not considered divisive?


Why is this? After all, the latter solution clearly endangers and abandons our Jewish G-d fearing brothers and sisters living in Judea and Samaria?


This is probably because the closer we get to forming a G-d fearing Government in Israel and elsewhere with G-d fearing laws,  be it in Israel or the Diaspora, it greatly threatens the evil Anti G-d Global forces who are pushing their agenda, an agenda to remove G-d from the narrative. 


In NY we feel it strongly as they push to force a very hostile curriculum on Jewish Orthodox Yeshivas. Their agenda pushes the negation of the 7 Noahide laws with GENDER studies and late term abortion indoctrination on little children.



This post is therefore as relevant today as then and probably more urgent.


Let me end with a parable brought by Rabbi Akiva. Thank you Rabbi Smith who brought down this parable in this weeks Parsha Naso class.


Rabbi Yitzchok Dovid Smith Imperative for Life to Teach Jewish Kids (and Adults) Torah... and non Jewish Kids (and Adults) Torah for non-Jews!

https://shemittahrediscovered.blogspot.com/2022/06/rabbi-yitzchok-dovid-smith-imperative.html?m=1


 and tied it to the educational crisis happening in Yeshivas.


Can G-d fearing Jews live side by side peacefully with a Palestinian Autonomy? Impossible.


Berakhot 61b

The William Davidson Talmud(Koren - Steinsaltz)


6

תָּנוּ רַבָּנַן: פַּעַם אַחַת גָּזְרָה מַלְכוּת הָרְשָׁעָה שֶׁלֹּא יַעַסְקוּ יִשְׂרָאֵל בַּתּוֹרָה. בָּא פַּפּוּס בֶּן יְהוּדָה וּמְצָאוֹ לְרַבִּי עֲקִיבָא שֶׁהָיָה מַקְהִיל קְהִלּוֹת בָּרַבִּים וְעוֹסֵק בַּתּוֹרָה. אָמַר לוֹ: עֲקִיבָא אִי אַתָּה מִתְיָרֵא מִפְּנֵי מַלְכוּת?

The Gemara relates at length how Rabbi Akiva fulfilled these directives. The Sages taught: One time, after the bar Kokheva rebellion, the evil empire of Rome decreed that Israel may not engage in the study and practice of Torah. Pappos ben Yehuda came and found Rabbi Akiva, who was convening assemblies in public and engaging in Torah study. Pappos said to him: Akiva, are you not afraid of the empire?

7

אָמַר לוֹ: אֶמְשׁוֹל לְךָ מָשָׁל, לְמָה הַדָּבָר דּוֹמֶה — לְשׁוּעָל שֶׁהָיָה מְהַלֵּךְ עַל גַּב הַנָּהָר, וְרָאָה דָּגִים שֶׁהָיוּ מִתְקַבְּצִים מִמָּקוֹם לְמָקוֹם. אָמַר לָהֶם: מִפְּנֵי מָה אַתֶּם בּוֹרְחִים? אָמְרוּ לוֹ: מִפְּנֵי רְשָׁתוֹת שֶׁמְּבִיאִין עָלֵינוּ בְּנֵי אָדָם. אָמַר לָהֶם: רְצוֹנְכֶם שֶׁתַּעֲלוּ לַיַּבָּשָׁה, וְנָדוּר אֲנִי וְאַתֶּם, כְּשֵׁם שֶׁדָּרוּ אֲבוֹתַי עִם אֲבוֹתֵיכֶם? אָמְרוּ לוֹ: אַתָּה הוּא שֶׁאוֹמְרִים עָלֶיךָ פִּקֵּחַ שֶׁבַּחַיּוֹת?! לֹא פִּקֵּחַ אַתָּה, אֶלָּא טִפֵּשׁ אַתָּה! וּמָה בִּמְקוֹם חִיּוּתֵנוּ, אָנוּ מִתְיָרְאִין, בִּמְקוֹם מִיתָתֵנוּ — עַל אַחַת כַּמָּה וְכַמָּה. אַף אֲנַחְנוּ עַכְשָׁיו שֶׁאָנוּ יוֹשְׁבִים וְעוֹסְקִים בַּתּוֹרָה, שֶׁכָּתוּב בָּהּ: ״כִּי הוּא חַיֶּיךָ וְאֹרֶךְ יָמֶיךָ״, כָּךְ, אִם אָנוּ הוֹלְכִים וּמְבַטְּלִים מִמֶּנָּה — עַל אַחַת כַּמָּה וְכַמָּה!

Rabbi Akiva answered him: I will relate a parable. To what can this be compared? It is like a fox walking along a riverbank when he sees fish gathering and fleeing from place to place.

The fox said to them: From what are you fleeing?

They said to him: We are fleeing from the nets that people cast upon us.

He said to them: Do you wish to come up onto dry land, and we will reside together just as my ancestors resided with your ancestors?

The fish said to him: You are the one of whom they say, he is the cleverest of animals? You are not clever; you are a fool. If we are afraid in the water, our natural habitat which gives us life, then in a habitat that causes our death, all the more so.

The moral is: So too, we Jews, now that we sit and engage in Torah study, about which it is written: "For that is your life, and the length of your days" (Deuteronomy 30:20), we fear the empire to this extent; if we proceed to sit idle from its study, as its abandonment is the habitat that causes our death, all the more so will we fear the empire.

-----


Merely starting a discussion for a prototype Torah Autonomy in Judea and Samaria will bring fear in those who are creating facts on the ground for a Palestinian State. This is worthy to fight for with all our hearts and soul.


A Historic New Beginning as Sovereignty is on Hold. My letter to AFSI - Thinking out of the Box - A Judean Autonomy.

https://shemittahrediscovered.blogspot.com/2020/09/fwd-historic-new-beginning-as.html?m=1


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