Dear RobinYour idea of a Torah autonomy is so disconnected with reality and shows how you are not in touch with what is going on here in israel,that I don't know even know where to start to explain things to you.I appreciate your care and worry for israel from far- but in the end, for anyone who wants to promote any idea or solution- one needs to make surethat one has a large group of people supporting such ideasWhen another million Torah observant Jews would actually leave Galut and come to israel on Aliya- and settle in Judea and samaria,you won't need any out of the box unrealistic autonomy plans- you simply would have a situation where there would be a clear rightwing Torah observant majoritythat would form a real rightwing government with no problemSo instead of promoting plans that are disconnected from reality- let's promote the aliya of one million Torah observant Jewsand you will see how things will change for the better in israel.KoltuvNadia Matarבתאריך יום א׳, 12 ביוני 2022 ב-20:01 מאת Robin Ticker <faigerayzel@gmail.com>:BsdDear Nadia and Yehudit, amv"shאל המקום אשר...What are your thoughts on these?A Palestinian state is on the way
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT6BTcsJLrE
Fyi
I am once again sending you a proposal for a prototype Torah Autonomy for Judea and Samaria that needs to be reconsidered in light of global current events.
Please note that the intention is not G-d forbid to divide the Jewish people and or the Government and State of Israel. The opposite. It is for Israel to survive with Unity as G-d intended. It is to present ideas that are out of the box that has never recently been seriously publicly considered, analyzed and debated.
Actually such a discussion took place in Marianbad in 1937 by the Moetzet Gedolei Hatorah and the Resolution was for Israel to be a State governed by Torah laws.
The time simply was not ripe.
Perhaps now the time is more ripe.
Why is the suggestion of a small scale prototype Torah Autonomy in Judea and Samaria considered divisive while an anti G-d plan that is being created with facts on the ground coming from an alliance of the EU and the Civil Authority not considered divisive?
Why is this? After all, the latter solution clearly endangers and abandons our Jewish G-d fearing brothers and sisters living in Judea and Samaria?
This is probably because the closer we get to forming a G-d fearing Government in Israel and elsewhere with G-d fearing laws, be it in Israel or the Diaspora, it greatly threatens the evil Anti G-d Global forces who are pushing their agenda, an agenda to remove G-d from the narrative.
In NY we feel it strongly as they push to force a very hostile curriculum on Jewish Orthodox Yeshivas. Their agenda pushes the negation of the 7 Noahide laws with GENDER studies and late term abortion indoctrination on little children.
This post is therefore as relevant today as then and probably more urgent.
Let me end with a parable brought by Rabbi Akiva. Thank you Rabbi Smith who brought down this parable in this weeks Parsha Naso class.
Rabbi Yitzchok Dovid Smith Imperative for Life to Teach Jewish Kids (and Adults) Torah... and non Jewish Kids (and Adults) Torah for non-Jews!
https://shemittahrediscovered.blogspot.com/2022/06/rabbi-yitzchok-dovid-smith-imperative.html?m=1
and tied it to the educational crisis happening in Yeshivas.
Can G-d fearing Jews live side by side peacefully with a Palestinian Autonomy? Impossible.
Berakhot 61b
The William Davidson Talmud(Koren - Steinsaltz)
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תָּנוּ רַבָּנַן: פַּעַם אַחַת גָּזְרָה מַלְכוּת הָרְשָׁעָה שֶׁלֹּא יַעַסְקוּ יִשְׂרָאֵל בַּתּוֹרָה. בָּא פַּפּוּס בֶּן יְהוּדָה וּמְצָאוֹ לְרַבִּי עֲקִיבָא שֶׁהָיָה מַקְהִיל קְהִלּוֹת בָּרַבִּים וְעוֹסֵק בַּתּוֹרָה. אָמַר לוֹ: עֲקִיבָא אִי אַתָּה מִתְיָרֵא מִפְּנֵי מַלְכוּת?
The Gemara relates at length how Rabbi Akiva fulfilled these directives. The Sages taught: One time, after the bar Kokheva rebellion, the evil empire of Rome decreed that Israel may not engage in the study and practice of Torah. Pappos ben Yehuda came and found Rabbi Akiva, who was convening assemblies in public and engaging in Torah study. Pappos said to him: Akiva, are you not afraid of the empire?
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אָמַר לוֹ: אֶמְשׁוֹל לְךָ מָשָׁל, לְמָה הַדָּבָר דּוֹמֶה — לְשׁוּעָל שֶׁהָיָה מְהַלֵּךְ עַל גַּב הַנָּהָר, וְרָאָה דָּגִים שֶׁהָיוּ מִתְקַבְּצִים מִמָּקוֹם לְמָקוֹם. אָמַר לָהֶם: מִפְּנֵי מָה אַתֶּם בּוֹרְחִים? אָמְרוּ לוֹ: מִפְּנֵי רְשָׁתוֹת שֶׁמְּבִיאִין עָלֵינוּ בְּנֵי אָדָם. אָמַר לָהֶם: רְצוֹנְכֶם שֶׁתַּעֲלוּ לַיַּבָּשָׁה, וְנָדוּר אֲנִי וְאַתֶּם, כְּשֵׁם שֶׁדָּרוּ אֲבוֹתַי עִם אֲבוֹתֵיכֶם? אָמְרוּ לוֹ: אַתָּה הוּא שֶׁאוֹמְרִים עָלֶיךָ פִּקֵּחַ שֶׁבַּחַיּוֹת?! לֹא פִּקֵּחַ אַתָּה, אֶלָּא טִפֵּשׁ אַתָּה! וּמָה בִּמְקוֹם חִיּוּתֵנוּ, אָנוּ מִתְיָרְאִין, בִּמְקוֹם מִיתָתֵנוּ — עַל אַחַת כַּמָּה וְכַמָּה. אַף אֲנַחְנוּ עַכְשָׁיו שֶׁאָנוּ יוֹשְׁבִים וְעוֹסְקִים בַּתּוֹרָה, שֶׁכָּתוּב בָּהּ: ״כִּי הוּא חַיֶּיךָ וְאֹרֶךְ יָמֶיךָ״, כָּךְ, אִם אָנוּ הוֹלְכִים וּמְבַטְּלִים מִמֶּנָּה — עַל אַחַת כַּמָּה וְכַמָּה!
Rabbi Akiva answered him: I will relate a parable. To what can this be compared? It is like a fox walking along a riverbank when he sees fish gathering and fleeing from place to place.
The fox said to them: From what are you fleeing?
They said to him: We are fleeing from the nets that people cast upon us.
He said to them: Do you wish to come up onto dry land, and we will reside together just as my ancestors resided with your ancestors?
The fish said to him: You are the one of whom they say, he is the cleverest of animals? You are not clever; you are a fool. If we are afraid in the water, our natural habitat which gives us life, then in a habitat that causes our death, all the more so.
The moral is: So too, we Jews, now that we sit and engage in Torah study, about which it is written: "For that is your life, and the length of your days" (Deuteronomy 30:20), we fear the empire to this extent; if we proceed to sit idle from its study, as its abandonment is the habitat that causes our death, all the more so will we fear the empire.
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Merely starting a discussion for a prototype Torah Autonomy in Judea and Samaria will bring fear in those who are creating facts on the ground for a Palestinian State. This is worthy to fight for with all our hearts and soul.
A Historic New Beginning as Sovereignty is on Hold. My letter to AFSI - Thinking out of the Box - A Judean Autonomy.
https://shemittahrediscovered.blogspot.com/2020/09/fwd-historic-new-beginning-as.html?m=1
Posted on Shemittahrediscovered.blogspot.com June 12, 2022
Wednesday, June 15, 2022
Re: Being connected with reality...
Bsd
אל המקום אשר...
Dear Nadia and Yehudit, amvsh
Is Jonathan Pollard disconnected from reality?
Jonathan Pollard: Israel is heading to disaster
'I'm waiting for a real Jewish leader.' Pollard slams government, compares life in Israel to his time in prison. 'This never ends well.'
As Esther Pollard asked "Do you feel the pain of the people"
Has the Sovereign Movement, or have the leaders, either spiritual and political in Yesha, united in protest, regarding the unlawful miscarriage of justice with Amiram ben Uliel who is sentenced for life with cruel and harsh imprisonment for already close to 7 years? He is sentenced for a crime he never committed with no evidence other than his own forced confession following torture!
The reality is that political forces divide and conquer the Settlers and the communities in Judea and Samaria and every organization is in it for themselves.
Where is Ein Od Milvado? What are we afraid of?
Perhaps if we unite and protest, Amiram ben Uliel would be home with his family, Ahuvia Sandek might still be alive...Elisha Odess would not have been traumatized..
Yet we tolerate Inui Hadin. Delaying justice.
Is making believe Duma never happened and turning a blind eye to injustice and the pain and suffering of fellow Jews who are political scapegoats, consistent with being connected with reality?
Why is the suggestion of a Palestinian Autonomy connected to reality but a suggestion of a Torah Autonomy isn't?
Is reality simply playing the political game or is reality the courage to expose the sick reality and risk serious backlash ?
Are we so afraid of a govt who spies on its G-d fearing citizens, and afraid of being marginalized and branded as religious fanatics, for daring to be proud to dream for Torah leadership?
What is the real meaning of Sovereignty?
Does being Sovereign translate into becoming enslaved to evil forces who dictate how much of Torah we can strive for before they decide it's gone too far? Is this the meaning of being connected to reality?
Here is another example of being connected to reality.
United with Israel
WATCH: BDS Mapping Project 'Laying Groundwork for Kristallnacht 2.0'
BDS activists in Boston recently released an interactive map they claim reveals the connections between "Zionist leaders and major NGOs."
The map included not only Jewish organizations but schools and synagogues as well as staff members' names.
So yes, I am connected to a reality so disturbing that the only solution is Ein Od Milvado, an Almighty G-d. If we want Him on our side we now need to keep His Commandments and be loyal to His, a G-d fearing agenda!
לא בשמים היא...
The Torah clearly spells out the process of Returning to Him and to Eretz Yisroel.
Being connected to G-d and connected to Torah for Jews and Torah for non Jews is the only reality. Being disconnected from Torah is being disconnected from reality.
Please read this Perek as it spells out how Hashem will return the exiles to Zion.
Devarim Perek ל 30
Our return is dependent on us Returning to Hashem and keeping His commanndments.
I find it sweet that those who pray for the welfare of Amiram ben Uliel every day say the following and mean it with their heart and soul. They wait for a verdict on Amiram's appeal which is not forthcoming in spite of all the evidence of his innocence.
Obviously the judges can't bring themselves to admit and confess their own guilt. Who will judge the judges?
...May Hashem hear our cries and BEH may Amiram ben Nurit like Yosef HaTzadik be released from bondage and be zocheh to bring a Korban Toda and may we merit to see Moshiach Tzidkeinu and the rebuilding of the Beit HaMikdash Bimheira Beyameinu Amen!
Posted on Shemittahrediscovered.blogspot.com on June 16, 2022
On Sun, Jun 12, 2022, 6:23 PM Nadia Matar <nadiamatar1966@gmail.com> wrote:
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