Thursday, June 16, 2022

Re: cont. Being connected with reality...

Bsd

Dear Nadia and Yehudit, amvsh

Bh Im glad at least we are brainstorming.

I too Chas Veshalom do not want to divide Israel! We are on the same page!

Here is where I am coming from...
I originally started as a computer programmer. When software is programmed there are always bugs. Therefore it would be a mistake to put the software into production until it is tested and then tested as a prototype on a small scale and only when most of the bugs are taken care of.  The software is then approved for large scale production. The Nation of Israel is not yet a Kli, a vessel, to even consider a Torah Autonomy. However the Jews living in  Judea and Samaria are predominantly G-d fearing Torah observing Jews. The idea is to start very small scale, to brainstorm and work out the kinks. Surely once the entire Israel gets a taste of how a Torah economy can eventually function, there will be a thirst for more. Doesn't Hashem promise that the Nations of the world will say about the Nation of Israel "Am Chacham veNavon", a smart and wise Nation?


Relating to the discussion of every Jew making Aliya:

Of course Jews should be making Aliya. This must be done in parallel with yearning for G-d's Kingdom in the world.  This translates to exposing and protesting government policies that are coming from a greater global agenda that rejects G-d and His commandments.  In Israel, global forces push to oppress those who openly push for a government and judicial system and economy that is closer to a G-dly vision and Hebraic Law. This means not being satisfied with the existing hodge podge of Turkish, British and Israeli law. 

The world is very scary as law and order, truth and justice are no longer  governing the masses but rather a foreign New World Order.

It is Hashem who will return the exiles but that is dependent on us. We are expected to collectively return to Hashem and keep His commandments.

The 7 Noahide Laws for Nations of the world are currently under assault, on our watch, both in the Diaspora and and in Israel. Never in my life have I witnessed such evil forces pushing an anti G-d agenda. The Nation of Israel should be  educating the world in order to fill the void. This void is a terrible Chillul Hashem, that has been filled with their New World Order. 

When G-d's laws reign, aka Malchut Shamayim, not only will
 Jews will stream to Israel but so too will all the Nations of the world. These are the prophesies we read about.

The root to accomplish such a lofty goals, to allow this transformation to occur, is not merely by making Aliya according to the criteria of the Jewish Agency, filling all the paper work etc. 

It is not important that every Jew becomes an Oleh of the State of Israel.

It should be sufficient  for a Jew be a descendent of Avraham Yitzhak and Yaakov and keep the commandments and even if a Jew is not residing in the Holy Land they still theoretically have a Nachala, an inheritance passed down from their forefathers that gives them G-d Given rights to the Land, rights no different than one who has a Teudat Zehut, that is an Israeli citizen by today's definition of being an Israeli citizen.

 Lets make our goal to take Galus, a mindset of being in Exile, out of the Jew wherever the Jew resides, be it the Diaspora or the Holy  Land. 

Every individual Jew wherever they reside should feel they are an essential part of  unified whole, namely the Nation of Israel. While one who actually resides in the Holy Land is privileged to be worthy to live in Eretz Yisroel, our Precious and Holy Land, still, can they claim  that their rights to the Land of Eretz Yisroel exceeds their brothers and sisters still residing in the Diaspora?

The Nation of israel is not defined just by who made Aliya.  

It therefore follows that collectively we need to be ready to change our mindset. Every Jew whether or not they made official Aliya  has the same obligations to protect Eretz Yisroel and to keep the commandments  whether these commandments  are Teluyot Baaretz, dependent on the Land, and/or not teluyot BaAretz. 

The Halachic criteria defining who is a Jew should therefore define who is a citizen of Israel rather than the existing  criteria of the Jewish Agency. 

The physical act of making Aliya, is a tremendous accomplishment but should not take way from the status of any Halachic Jew and their rights to be a full fledged Citizen of the Land of Israel and making a difference as you yourself suggest.

I hope this clarifies your question by explaining that making Aliya is an unnecessary prerequisite for being counted in the Nation of Israel. In fact, what is suggested is an alternative criteria to determine who is a citizen of Israel. 

Therefore, a collective yearning for a Global Heavenly Kingdom especially in the Land of Israel,  and keeping the Torah Commandments is the primary focus rather than Aliya per se.


On Thu, Jun 16, 2022, 2:29 AM Nadia Matar <nadiamatar1966@gmail.com> wrote:
Amazing how you never relate to the issue of the obligation of every Torah Jew to make aliya.
Living in Galut, no matter how well you keep Shabbos and Kashrut, one is still a handicapped Jew-
not to talk about the fact that in galut you have absolutely no input on what is going on in Eretz HaKodesh.
It's like being a passive spectator in a football game, while you should be on the field,
making a difference. 

Anyway, I am all in favor of Torah ruling. For all of Israel. Sovereignty is exactly about that. 
What I oppose and what I said is disconnected with reality, is your idea of calling for a separate Torah autonomy only in Judea and samaria.
In other words you want the half a million jews of Judea and samaria to disconnect from Israel and create a Torah autonomy in J&S.
That is completely disconnected from reality.

So I say: Let's bring to israel another 1 million Torah observant Jews  (who anyway shouldnt be living in Galut),
that will add dozens of more seats in the Knesset for Torah observant Jews,
and all of Israel will benefit from it. 
Promoting a separate Torah autonomy is a waste of time and is fundamentally wrong. We've been divided enough.
Koltuv

‫בתאריך יום ה׳, 16 ביוני 2022 ב-7:51 מאת ‪Robin Ticker‬‏ <‪faigerayzel@gmail.com‬‏>:‬
Bsd

אל המקום אשר...

Dear Nadia and Yehudit, amvsh

Is Jonathan Pollard disconnected from reality?
Jonathan Pollard: Israel is heading to disaster
'I'm waiting for a real Jewish leader.' Pollard slams government, compares life in Israel to his time in prison. 'This never ends well.'

As Esther Pollard asked "Do you feel the pain of the people"

Has the Sovereign Movement, or have the leaders, either spiritual and political in Yesha, united in protest, regarding the unlawful  miscarriage of justice with Amiram ben Uliel who is sentenced for life with cruel and harsh imprisonment for already close to 7 years? He is sentenced for a crime he never committed with no evidence other than his own forced confession following torture!

The reality is that political forces divide and conquer the Settlers and the communities in Judea and Samaria and every organization is in it for themselves.

Where is Ein Od Milvado? What are we afraid of?

Perhaps if we unite and protest, Amiram ben Uliel would be home with his family, Ahuvia Sandek might still be alive...Elisha Odess would not have been traumatized..

Yet we tolerate Inui Hadin.  Delaying justice. 

Is making believe Duma never happened and turning a blind eye to injustice and the pain and suffering of fellow Jews who are political scapegoats, consistent with being connected with reality?

Why is the suggestion of a Palestinian Autonomy connected to reality but a suggestion of a Torah Autonomy isn't?

Is reality simply playing the political game or is reality the courage to expose the sick reality and risk serious backlash ?

Are we so afraid of a govt who spies on its G-d fearing citizens, and afraid of being marginalized and branded as religious fanatics, for daring to be proud to dream for Torah leadership?

What is the real meaning of Sovereignty? 

Does being Sovereign translate into becoming enslaved to evil forces who dictate how much of Torah we can strive for before they decide it's gone too far?   Is this the meaning of being connected to reality?

Here is another example of being connected to reality.

United with Israel
WATCH: BDS Mapping Project 'Laying Groundwork for Kristallnacht 2.0'

BDS activists in Boston recently released an interactive map they claim reveals the connections between "Zionist leaders and major NGOs."
The map included not only Jewish organizations but schools and synagogues as well as staff members' names.

So yes, I am connected to a reality so disturbing that the only solution is Ein Od Milvado, an Almighty G-d. If we want Him on our side we now need to keep His Commandments and be loyal to His, a G-d fearing agenda!
לא בשמים היא...

The Torah clearly spells out the process of Returning to Him and to Eretz Yisroel.

Being connected to G-d and connected to Torah for Jews and Torah for non Jews is the only reality.  Being disconnected from Torah is being disconnected from reality.

Please read this Perek as it spells out how Hashem will  return the exiles to Zion.
Devarim Perek ל 30

Our return is dependent on us Returning to Hashem and keeping His commanndments.

I find it sweet that those who pray for the welfare of Amiram ben Uliel every day say the following and mean it with their heart and soul.  They wait for a verdict on Amiram's appeal which is not forthcoming in spite of all the evidence of his innocence.  

Obviously the judges can't bring themselves to admit and confess their own guilt. Who will judge the judges?

...May Hashem hear our cries and  BEH may Amiram ben Nurit like Yosef HaTzadik be released from bondage and be zocheh to bring a Korban Toda and may we merit to see Moshiach  Tzidkeinu  and the rebuilding of the Beit HaMikdash Bimheira Beyameinu Amen!

Posted on Shemittahrediscovered.blogspot.com on June 16, 2022

On Sun, Jun 12, 2022, 6:23 PM Nadia Matar <nadiamatar1966@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Robin

Your idea of a Torah autonomy is so disconnected with reality and shows how you are not in touch with what is going on here in israel,  
that I don't know even know where to start to explain things to you.

I appreciate your care and worry for israel from far- but in the end, for anyone who wants to promote any idea or solution- one needs to make sure 
that one has a large group of people supporting such ideas
When another million Torah observant Jews would actually leave Galut and come to israel on Aliya- and settle in Judea and samaria,
you won't need any out of the box unrealistic autonomy plans- you simply would have a situation where there would be a clear rightwing Torah observant majority
 that would form a real rightwing government with no problem

So instead of promoting plans that are disconnected from reality- let's promote the aliya of one million Torah observant Jews
and you will see how things will change for the better in israel.

Koltuv
Nadia Matar

‫בתאריך יום א׳, 12 ביוני 2022 ב-20:01 מאת ‪Robin Ticker‬‏ <‪faigerayzel@gmail.com‬‏>:‬
Bsd

Dear Nadia and Yehudit, amv"sh

אל המקום אשר...

What are your thoughts on these?


A Palestinian state is on the way

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT6BTcsJLrE


Fyi


I am once again sending you a proposal for a prototype  Torah Autonomy for Judea and Samaria that needs to be reconsidered in light of global current events. 


Please note that the intention is not G-d forbid to divide the Jewish people and or the Government and State of Israel.  The opposite. It is for Israel to survive with Unity as G-d intended. It is to present ideas that are out of the box that has never recently been seriously publicly considered, analyzed and debated.


Actually such a discussion took place in Marianbad in 1937 by the Moetzet Gedolei Hatorah and the Resolution was for Israel to be a State governed by Torah laws.


The time simply was not ripe.


Perhaps now the time is more ripe.


Why is the suggestion of a small scale prototype Torah Autonomy in Judea and Samaria  considered divisive while an anti G-d plan that is being created with facts on the ground coming from an alliance of the EU and the Civil Authority not considered divisive?


Why is this? After all, the latter solution clearly endangers and abandons our Jewish G-d fearing brothers and sisters living in Judea and Samaria?


This is probably because the closer we get to forming a G-d fearing Government in Israel and elsewhere with G-d fearing laws,  be it in Israel or the Diaspora, it greatly threatens the evil Anti G-d Global forces who are pushing their agenda, an agenda to remove G-d from the narrative. 


In NY we feel it strongly as they push to force a very hostile curriculum on Jewish Orthodox Yeshivas. Their agenda pushes the negation of the 7 Noahide laws with GENDER studies and late term abortion indoctrination on little children.



This post is therefore as relevant today as then and probably more urgent.


Let me end with a parable brought by Rabbi Akiva. Thank you Rabbi Smith who brought down this parable in this weeks Parsha Naso class.


Rabbi Yitzchok Dovid Smith Imperative for Life to Teach Jewish Kids (and Adults) Torah... and non Jewish Kids (and Adults) Torah for non-Jews!

https://shemittahrediscovered.blogspot.com/2022/06/rabbi-yitzchok-dovid-smith-imperative.html?m=1


 and tied it to the educational crisis happening in Yeshivas.


Can G-d fearing Jews live side by side peacefully with a Palestinian Autonomy? Impossible.


Berakhot 61b

The William Davidson Talmud(Koren - Steinsaltz)


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תָּנוּ רַבָּנַן: פַּעַם אַחַת גָּזְרָה מַלְכוּת הָרְשָׁעָה שֶׁלֹּא יַעַסְקוּ יִשְׂרָאֵל בַּתּוֹרָה. בָּא פַּפּוּס בֶּן יְהוּדָה וּמְצָאוֹ לְרַבִּי עֲקִיבָא שֶׁהָיָה מַקְהִיל קְהִלּוֹת בָּרַבִּים וְעוֹסֵק בַּתּוֹרָה. אָמַר לוֹ: עֲקִיבָא אִי אַתָּה מִתְיָרֵא מִפְּנֵי מַלְכוּת?

The Gemara relates at length how Rabbi Akiva fulfilled these directives. The Sages taught: One time, after the bar Kokheva rebellion, the evil empire of Rome decreed that Israel may not engage in the study and practice of Torah. Pappos ben Yehuda came and found Rabbi Akiva, who was convening assemblies in public and engaging in Torah study. Pappos said to him: Akiva, are you not afraid of the empire?

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אָמַר לוֹ: אֶמְשׁוֹל לְךָ מָשָׁל, לְמָה הַדָּבָר דּוֹמֶה — לְשׁוּעָל שֶׁהָיָה מְהַלֵּךְ עַל גַּב הַנָּהָר, וְרָאָה דָּגִים שֶׁהָיוּ מִתְקַבְּצִים מִמָּקוֹם לְמָקוֹם. אָמַר לָהֶם: מִפְּנֵי מָה אַתֶּם בּוֹרְחִים? אָמְרוּ לוֹ: מִפְּנֵי רְשָׁתוֹת שֶׁמְּבִיאִין עָלֵינוּ בְּנֵי אָדָם. אָמַר לָהֶם: רְצוֹנְכֶם שֶׁתַּעֲלוּ לַיַּבָּשָׁה, וְנָדוּר אֲנִי וְאַתֶּם, כְּשֵׁם שֶׁדָּרוּ אֲבוֹתַי עִם אֲבוֹתֵיכֶם? אָמְרוּ לוֹ: אַתָּה הוּא שֶׁאוֹמְרִים עָלֶיךָ פִּקֵּחַ שֶׁבַּחַיּוֹת?! לֹא פִּקֵּחַ אַתָּה, אֶלָּא טִפֵּשׁ אַתָּה! וּמָה בִּמְקוֹם חִיּוּתֵנוּ, אָנוּ מִתְיָרְאִין, בִּמְקוֹם מִיתָתֵנוּ — עַל אַחַת כַּמָּה וְכַמָּה. אַף אֲנַחְנוּ עַכְשָׁיו שֶׁאָנוּ יוֹשְׁבִים וְעוֹסְקִים בַּתּוֹרָה, שֶׁכָּתוּב בָּהּ: ״כִּי הוּא חַיֶּיךָ וְאֹרֶךְ יָמֶיךָ״, כָּךְ, אִם אָנוּ הוֹלְכִים וּמְבַטְּלִים מִמֶּנָּה — עַל אַחַת כַּמָּה וְכַמָּה!

Rabbi Akiva answered him: I will relate a parable. To what can this be compared? It is like a fox walking along a riverbank when he sees fish gathering and fleeing from place to place.

The fox said to them: From what are you fleeing?

They said to him: We are fleeing from the nets that people cast upon us.

He said to them: Do you wish to come up onto dry land, and we will reside together just as my ancestors resided with your ancestors?

The fish said to him: You are the one of whom they say, he is the cleverest of animals? You are not clever; you are a fool. If we are afraid in the water, our natural habitat which gives us life, then in a habitat that causes our death, all the more so.

The moral is: So too, we Jews, now that we sit and engage in Torah study, about which it is written: "For that is your life, and the length of your days" (Deuteronomy 30:20), we fear the empire to this extent; if we proceed to sit idle from its study, as its abandonment is the habitat that causes our death, all the more so will we fear the empire.

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Merely starting a discussion for a prototype Torah Autonomy in Judea and Samaria will bring fear in those who are creating facts on the ground for a Palestinian State. This is worthy to fight for with all our hearts and soul.


A Historic New Beginning as Sovereignty is on Hold. My letter to AFSI - Thinking out of the Box - A Judean Autonomy.

https://shemittahrediscovered.blogspot.com/2020/09/fwd-historic-new-beginning-as.html?m=1


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