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Dear Friends, amv"sh
So many of us have idolized the State of Israel. The beginning of our redemption.
Yes, there is no denying the miracles of the establishment of Israel Sovereignty, finally, exclusive authority of the Nation of Israel in the Land of Israel after 2000 years!
Especially having risen from the ashes of the gas chambers in Eastern Europe.
BUT!!!!, we must not replace the vision of a State of Israel which wishes to be a Nation like all other Nations for the real thing. That is idolatry.
The IDF is serving foreign G-ds! Time for massive expression of ENTITLEMENT!
EXAMPLES
1. Gush Katif - Expulsion- Following orders of the gov't of Israel to steal property, take away the source of Parnassa of the residents of Gush Katif, breakup families and communities, destroy synagogues, dig up graves, bring unbearable grief and emotional, physical and spiritual pain of men women and children, residents of Gush Katif, G-d fearing Jews. The IDF was brainwashed to follow orders. But these orders came from a foreign power. Not the G-d of Abraham Isaac and Jacob, Yosef, Moshe, Aharon and David.
DAYENU!
2. Amona - Select Kassam units of the IDF cruelly commit a pogrom on unprotected, unarmed G-d fearing Jews primarily a bunch of teenagers.
DAIY! Enough!
3..The Unnamed War in Lebanon - The IDF, a pitiful display of strength and might of the Israeli armed forces, desiring to prove to the world that they, the IDF, are invincible. Pitiful because of their miserable failure to so. They held steadfast in their determination to follow orders to give away G-ds gift of Land, our heartland, Judea and Samaria to the PALESTINIANS in direct defiance to G-d's Law regarding the Biblical borders. . IN doing so, they proved quite the opposite. The IDF lost the war, showed no clarity of purpose, no clear strategy, were ineffective and powerless to destroy the weapons buildup of our enemies supplied by Iran and Syria to Hizbollah. clearly a terrorist group..
DAIY - Enough
3.Sderot - Turning a blind eye as Kassam rockets terrorized the citizens of Sderot. They did not go after the source of the rocket attacks with strong determination and full force even though they had the ability to do so. They did not go after those that gave the orders of the attacks. Who did they go after? The shelter of Noam Bedein the media center of Sderot. They took it away so that it was unreachable within the 15 second time interval of a Kassam attack. Their citizens who they were supposed to protect were left defenseless day after day, trauma after trauma. The IDF followed the orders of a gov't that feared Washington DC and not G-d.
Daiy! Enough!
4. Young religious girls were imprisoned, harassed and abused and treated as criminals by the Police, IDF and Prison officials for these girls failure to recognize and show any respect to a corrupt judicial and legal system that continuously showed animosity and contempt for legitimacy of the settlers to live and settle the Land according to the Torah.
5. YESHA - Removal of 50 Roadblocks meant to prevent terror attacks against G-d fearing Jews in Judea and Samaria as an expression of loyalty and devotion to the Godess Condeleeza Rice.
DAIY! Enough
6. YESHA - Harrassment and arrest of 2 security officers, the G-d fearing Halamish brothers, for having protected themselves and their communities. The eviction of a family on the Eve of Pesach, of five including a pregnant wife and five kids for moving into their homes in NEGAHOT a legal settlement. No compassion for the settlers. Just devotion to the Goddess Condeleeza Rice and American foreign policiy.
DAI! Enough
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7. Hebron- The arrival of IDF forces to destroy a synagogue Chazon Dovid, near Kiryat Arba, established in memory of G-d fearing Jews Dovid Cohen and Hezi Mualim who were murdered by terrorists as a result of IDF laxity in security by removing roadblocks at the time.. Another, sacrificial lamb for the Godess Condeleeza Rice.
Dai, Dai Yenu, Dai, Dai Yenu, Da Dayenu, Dayenu Dayenu!!!!!!
The cry must be heard with Clarity that the Land of Israel is our entitlement. The IDF is
David's Vision or Bush's Vision?
David Wilder
May 04, 2008
Chazon David. Many people are familiar with the name of the small
synagogue just off the main road leading from Kiryat Arba to Hebron.
Constructed some seven years ago after the murder of David Cohen and
Hezi Mualem on the same day, the place of worship was to eternalize
their memories.
I fled from the office a little early today because our rooms and the
halls are being painted. I was speaking to one of the painters just
before leaving, telling him that I'd spent the day working on the
events occurring at Chazon David. He looked at me rather dejectedly
and told me that on that day some seven years ago, he had sent David
Cohen to buy some building material. Cohen had just arrived at the
western gate of Kiryat Arba when an Arab car drove by and opened
fire. David Cohen's car was hit and he never had a chance.
Later that night the Kiryat Arba local council met and decided to
protest the opening of a roadblock which had allowed the killers to
easily escape. They met on the road by the western gate leading from
the Ramat Mamre (Givat HaHarsina) neighborhood (now closed). Arabs
saw them there and notified some terrorists who opened fire on the
men in the pitch dark. A few men were hit, but Hezzy Mualem, then a
councilman, was killed, dying later that night in the hospital. I
remember him well, as he was a true community servant. Among other
things, he drove an ambulance and once took my wife and I to the
hospital while she was in labor with one of our children.
The synagogue's name hit the spot: Chazon (for Hezzy) David (for
David Cohen). In English the name means "David's vision."
In truth many people were unaware of the synagogue's existence.
However it did not escape the always present eyes of the Israeli
version of Big Brother. It was labeled a 'ma'achaz.' 'Ma'achazim' are
usually defined as 'hilltop settlements' but the fact that this site
was on the road in between two Kiryat Arba neighborhoods made no
difference. A 'ma'achaz' it was declared, and a 'ma'achaz' it was.
When the government decided to prove to the United States that it
really meant business, Chazon David was place on the black list; a
'settlement' to be exterminated.
Word filtered down: the site is to be destroyed. It was a few days
before Passover. Who has time, only days before the holiday, to worry
about a small synagogue? Well, it seems that many many people in
Kiryat Arba and Hebron cared very much. When the huge tractors
arrived in the middle of the night, they were met by a large group of
concerned people, men, women and children. Of course the security
forces used much force to keep them away from the actual site and
stop the destruction. The road from Hebron was closed and I had to
run up the hill to reach the synagogue.
When I arrive the bulldozer was in action. It was a terrible site,
seeing a synagogue being razed. Had it been a mosque, Israeli
security forces wouldn't have dared to implement such a solution; but
synagogues are less important than mosques, at least in the view of
Israeli decision-makers. Down it went, plowed into the ground.
Since then the synagogue was built and knocked down countless times –
between 30 to 40 times. But, surprising or not, for the past three
years it stood undisturbed. Prayer services were held every day,
including the Shabbat. Torah classes were also conducted there.
But, as soon as the 'piece talks' started thawing out, Chazon David
was remembered: an ever ready sacrifice to be slaughtered on the
altar of pacification – pacifying the White House and its
surroundings; in this case, Ms. Rice.
We thought the time had come last week, but when word leaked out and
over 100 people showed up, ready to take on the troops, the
government backed down, albeit temporarily. However it seems that
last night they saw that the time was ripe. At about two o'clock two
policewomen in civilian clothing showed up at the guard booth at the
western gate and without a word stole the guard's security radio and
telephone. A little while later the troops showed up, sealed off the
road from Hebron and closed the Kiryat Arba gate, surrounded the
synagogue, removed its furniture, books and holy articles, and again,
plowed it down. By the time I was able to get there it was gone.
But it won't be gone for long. Kids already started laying the
foundation for the renovated synagogue. Of course, when the police
realized what was going on they brutally chased them away. But not
for long. The kids will be back, as will the adults too.
There are two kinds of visions: Bush's vision is based on temporal
results, like the Nobel Piece prize or saving his legacy post-Iraq.
There are those who buy Bush's vision, like the former editor of
HaAretz who asked Condi to "rape Israel," forcing us to "make piece,"
including numerous "painful' concessions." Others, like the current
Prime Minister, thought that Bush's vision would save his hide from
an Israeli court and maybe even a jail cell. And the list goes on and
on.
But the Bush vision is very nearsighted, seeing only as far as his
nose, if that far. Acquiesce to Arab terror is as far from a true
vision as is possible. Nothing could be farther from a vision founded
on truth and ideals. That's the difference between Bush's vision and
David's Vision – one total sheker, that being falsehood, and the
other being total Emet, that being truth.
Which David? Take your choice. David Cohen and Hezzy Mualem surely
had a vision, to live a life of authentic Judaism in their land,
building Eretz Yisrael for the Jewish people. But so did their
namesakes – David, King of Israel and Yehezkel (Hezzy, for short),
King of Israel, both of whom were righteous leaders of their people.
Despite the fact that they lived thousands of years ago, their
legacy, a real legacy, still lives on today. Their inheritance, as
well as the legacy of David Cohen and Hezzy Mualem, as personified by
the Chazon David synagogue, will exist long after Bush, Condi and
their so-called vision are long forgotten.
The Jewish Community of Hebron
POB 105 , Kiryat Arba-Hebron 90100
<mailto:hebron@hebron.org.il>hebron@hebron.org.il
Tour Hebron: Tel 972-52-431-7055 or write: <mailto:simcha@hebron.org.il>
tour@hebron.com
Monday, May 05, 2008
Wednesday, April 30, 2008
Letter to Mainstream Jewish Organizations re: 5.4 billion plan to speed arrival of Palestinian State
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IN the Economist April 26th, 2008 issue page 65 it was reported that this month Israel agreed to let the Palestinian Authority (PA) open 20 police stations in the West Bank. For the first time since the Palestinians violent second intifada began eight years ago, they will be in rural areas, where Israel, not the PA is in charge of security. Last month Israel also gave the PA permission to deploy 620 special forces troops in the northern West Bank city of Jenin home to some of the most diehard Palestinian militants.
It is all part of a $5.4 billion plan meant to speed the arrival of a Palestinian state. Israel is negotiating a "framework agreement" (no longer a fully fledged peace deal, as planned last autumn) with the PA's president, Mahmoud Abbas.
WOW a lot has happened in one month while we were all busy preparing and celebrating the Passover Holiday.
The Economists also reports that the green light for the new police stations and deployment in Jenin came only after a lot of American pressure on Israel to give Mr. Abbas a chance to prove himself.
5.4 billion dollars is a lot of money. I am sure you agree. It can wreak much havoc on the lives of hundreds of thousands of Jews living in Judea and Samaria who will be displaced not to mention the rest of Israel who will be within rocket range, if Mr. Abbas does NOT prove himself.
And we have excellent reason to believe that Mr. Abbas will not prove himself.
That reason has its source based on the Torah. Military and other experts will support with strong arguments as to why Mr. Abbas will not prove himself. Yet the Torah is the root reason. The Torah can not be negotiated away. You don't have to be an observant Jew to believe in the Torah, You don't even have to be Jewish. The Land of Israel is the PROMISED LAND. It is also called the HOLY LAND. It is a gift of G-d to the Jewish People, promised to the seed of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob exclusively. It is a Holy Land when the Nation of Israel observe the commandments in the Land of Israel and the Land of Israel is a necessary ingredient for the observance of many of the commandments such as Shemittah, the Sabbatical year. These commandments are known as Mitzvoth Teluyot Baaretz, commandments dependent on the Land.
The blessings for the observance of these commandments is peace and prosperity. The failure of observance of these commandments is lack of peace and security, which seems to be the present situation of today. The Land of Israel has never produced and will never produce for any foreign authority, peaceful loving Palestinians or other, as the Torah has stated and as history has shown. Gush Katif in the Gaza strip is a perfect example. Once a thriving productive piece of land with an abundance of produce, bug free lettuce, tomatoes, flowers etc, exports in the millions if not more. Now it is the breeding ground for Al Qaieda and Hamas a launching site for rocket and mortar attack against "proper Israel" whatever "proper Israel" means. The name Green Line was coined since upon looking at Israel from an aerial perspective, the part of Israel that was under Israel's jurisdiction was green due to the abundance of produce. The other side of the line not under Jewish sovereignty was barren.
As leaders of the Jews, who have the mandate to be the Mamlechet Kohanim, a Kingdom of Priests for all the other nations, will YOU stand idly by when 5.4 billion dollars is at the very best being wasted and almost certainly being used for destructive purposes. Will you continue to sit silently or even endorse this Roadmap which continues to empower terror and terrorists and bring destruction to humanity, G-d Forbid, all in the name of "Peace"?
IN the Economist April 26th, 2008 issue page 65 it was reported that this month Israel agreed to let the Palestinian Authority (PA) open 20 police stations in the West Bank. For the first time since the Palestinians violent second intifada began eight years ago, they will be in rural areas, where Israel, not the PA is in charge of security. Last month Israel also gave the PA permission to deploy 620 special forces troops in the northern West Bank city of Jenin home to some of the most diehard Palestinian militants.
It is all part of a $5.4 billion plan meant to speed the arrival of a Palestinian state. Israel is negotiating a "framework agreement" (no longer a fully fledged peace deal, as planned last autumn) with the PA's president, Mahmoud Abbas.
WOW a lot has happened in one month while we were all busy preparing and celebrating the Passover Holiday.
The Economists also reports that the green light for the new police stations and deployment in Jenin came only after a lot of American pressure on Israel to give Mr. Abbas a chance to prove himself.
5.4 billion dollars is a lot of money. I am sure you agree. It can wreak much havoc on the lives of hundreds of thousands of Jews living in Judea and Samaria who will be displaced not to mention the rest of Israel who will be within rocket range, if Mr. Abbas does NOT prove himself.
And we have excellent reason to believe that Mr. Abbas will not prove himself.
That reason has its source based on the Torah. Military and other experts will support with strong arguments as to why Mr. Abbas will not prove himself. Yet the Torah is the root reason. The Torah can not be negotiated away. You don't have to be an observant Jew to believe in the Torah, You don't even have to be Jewish. The Land of Israel is the PROMISED LAND. It is also called the HOLY LAND. It is a gift of G-d to the Jewish People, promised to the seed of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob exclusively. It is a Holy Land when the Nation of Israel observe the commandments in the Land of Israel and the Land of Israel is a necessary ingredient for the observance of many of the commandments such as Shemittah, the Sabbatical year. These commandments are known as Mitzvoth Teluyot Baaretz, commandments dependent on the Land.
The blessings for the observance of these commandments is peace and prosperity. The failure of observance of these commandments is lack of peace and security, which seems to be the present situation of today. The Land of Israel has never produced and will never produce for any foreign authority, peaceful loving Palestinians or other, as the Torah has stated and as history has shown. Gush Katif in the Gaza strip is a perfect example. Once a thriving productive piece of land with an abundance of produce, bug free lettuce, tomatoes, flowers etc, exports in the millions if not more. Now it is the breeding ground for Al Qaieda and Hamas a launching site for rocket and mortar attack against "proper Israel" whatever "proper Israel" means. The name Green Line was coined since upon looking at Israel from an aerial perspective, the part of Israel that was under Israel's jurisdiction was green due to the abundance of produce. The other side of the line not under Jewish sovereignty was barren.
As leaders of the Jews, who have the mandate to be the Mamlechet Kohanim, a Kingdom of Priests for all the other nations, will YOU stand idly by when 5.4 billion dollars is at the very best being wasted and almost certainly being used for destructive purposes. Will you continue to sit silently or even endorse this Roadmap which continues to empower terror and terrorists and bring destruction to humanity, G-d Forbid, all in the name of "Peace"?
Tuesday, April 29, 2008
Fwd: Expellees from Gush Katif. An open letter to the Leaders of Major Jewish organizaitons.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Robin Ticker <faigerayzel@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 11:59 PM
Subject: Re: Expellees from Gush Katif. An open letter to the Leaders of Major Jewish organizaitons.
To: howard.rieger@ujc.org, joseph.kanfer@ujc.org, malcolm@conferenceofpresidents.org, jwalker@hadassah.org, ruskayj@ujafedny.org, rrobinson@jnf.org, rlauder@jnf.org, vegibud@gmail.com
Cc: president@whitehouse.gov, secretary@state.gov, weiner@mail.house.gov, alan.makovsky@mail.house.gov, howard.diamond@mail.house.gov, matthew.zweig@mail.house.gov, elise.aronson@mail.house.gov, jason.steinbaum@mail.house.gov, tom.stallings@mail.house.gov, zahava.goldman@mail.house.gov, lester.munson@mail.house.gov, don.macdonald@mail.house.gov, Emb-sec2@israelemb.org, ashariv@newyork.mfa.gov.il, consul.sec@atlanta.mfa.gov.il, consul@boston.mfa.gov.il, consul-GeneralSec@boston.mfa.gov.il, contactus@chicago.mfa.gov.il, consular.dep@houston.mfa.gov.il, heb-sec@houston.mfa.gov.il, concal.sec@houston.mfa.gov.il, info@losangeles.mfa.gov.il, info@miami.mfa.gov.il, info@philadelphia.mfa.gov.il
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Dear Howard Rieger, Joseph Kanfer, Malcolm Hoenlein, June Walker, John Ruskay, Russell Robinson and Ronald Lauder.
We must take the consequences of our actions or inactions. All of you are major players in Major Jewish Mainstream organizations that supported the gov't of Israel's policies of the disengagement in your official job capacity.
Now, you must own up to your decision to support the gov't of Israel's policy and deal with the negative consequences of the Disengagement from the Gaza Strip. It is highly immoral to simply walk away now. .
Demand that the gov't of Israel deliver on its promise to a solution for every individual of Gush Katif. Demand that every debt to pay off a personal mortgage or business loan be taken over by the gov't or your organization. Forcing the expellees to pay for the loans and mortgages on their property and businesses that was destroyed by the gov't is despicable.
Then demand permanent housing for these wandering Jews and significant assistance to these Jews.
Finally speak out loud and clear when the gov't acts in the same manner evicting innocent families from their homes in Judea and Samaria for no other apparent purpose than to appease our enemy or to please American Foreign Policy.
Isn't it glaring to you that the Disengagement has compromised Israel's National Security with Kassam rockets and mortars reaching population centers in Sderot and Ashkelon. As representing the Jewish voice, it is your obligation to express your dismay publicly and denounce the "peace talks" and "land for peace" as being nothing more than a catalyst to the increase of terror and aggression and antisemitism not only in Israel but throughout the world.
From: Robin Ticker <faigerayzel@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 11:59 PM
Subject: Re: Expellees from Gush Katif. An open letter to the Leaders of Major Jewish organizaitons.
To: howard.rieger@ujc.org, joseph.kanfer@ujc.org, malcolm@conferenceofpresidents.org, jwalker@hadassah.org, ruskayj@ujafedny.org, rrobinson@jnf.org, rlauder@jnf.org, vegibud@gmail.com
Cc: president@whitehouse.gov, secretary@state.gov, weiner@mail.house.gov, alan.makovsky@mail.house.gov, howard.diamond@mail.house.gov, matthew.zweig@mail.house.gov, elise.aronson@mail.house.gov, jason.steinbaum@mail.house.gov, tom.stallings@mail.house.gov, zahava.goldman@mail.house.gov, lester.munson@mail.house.gov, don.macdonald@mail.house.gov, Emb-sec2@israelemb.org, ashariv@newyork.mfa.gov.il, consul.sec@atlanta.mfa.gov.il, consul@boston.mfa.gov.il, consul-GeneralSec@boston.mfa.gov.il, contactus@chicago.mfa.gov.il, consular.dep@houston.mfa.gov.il, heb-sec@houston.mfa.gov.il, concal.sec@houston.mfa.gov.il, info@losangeles.mfa.gov.il, info@miami.mfa.gov.il, info@philadelphia.mfa.gov.il
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Dear Howard Rieger, Joseph Kanfer, Malcolm Hoenlein, June Walker, John Ruskay, Russell Robinson and Ronald Lauder.
We must take the consequences of our actions or inactions. All of you are major players in Major Jewish Mainstream organizations that supported the gov't of Israel's policies of the disengagement in your official job capacity.
Now, you must own up to your decision to support the gov't of Israel's policy and deal with the negative consequences of the Disengagement from the Gaza Strip. It is highly immoral to simply walk away now. .
Demand that the gov't of Israel deliver on its promise to a solution for every individual of Gush Katif. Demand that every debt to pay off a personal mortgage or business loan be taken over by the gov't or your organization. Forcing the expellees to pay for the loans and mortgages on their property and businesses that was destroyed by the gov't is despicable.
Then demand permanent housing for these wandering Jews and significant assistance to these Jews.
Finally speak out loud and clear when the gov't acts in the same manner evicting innocent families from their homes in Judea and Samaria for no other apparent purpose than to appease our enemy or to please American Foreign Policy.
Isn't it glaring to you that the Disengagement has compromised Israel's National Security with Kassam rockets and mortars reaching population centers in Sderot and Ashkelon. As representing the Jewish voice, it is your obligation to express your dismay publicly and denounce the "peace talks" and "land for peace" as being nothing more than a catalyst to the increase of terror and aggression and antisemitism not only in Israel but throughout the world.
Action Alert from Buddy. Still no homes for Gush Katif Jews. Still obligated to pay back loans after gov't destroys
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Let me add to Buddy's letter that it's totally disgusting that after the gov't so efficiently destroyed their means of Parnassa, their livelihood, the farmers are still required to pay back the loans and the mortgages on their homes and businesses in Gush Katif. Demand that in addition to finding permanent housing for the people of Gush Katif, that their loans be released on the property and businesses that the gov't destroyed. Why should these honest hard working individuals have their credit ruined due to no fault of their own. Let the gov't take responsibility for these people's inability to pay their debts.
Let me add to Buddy's letter that it's totally disgusting that after the gov't so efficiently destroyed their means of Parnassa, their livelihood, the farmers are still required to pay back the loans and the mortgages on their homes and businesses in Gush Katif. Demand that in addition to finding permanent housing for the people of Gush Katif, that their loans be released on the property and businesses that the gov't destroyed. Why should these honest hard working individuals have their credit ruined due to no fault of their own. Let the gov't take responsibility for these people's inability to pay their debts.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: <FaigeRayzel@aol.com>
Date: 2008/4/29
Subject: Fwd: Still no homes for Gush Katif Jews
To: faigerayzel@gmail.com
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Buddy Macy <vegibud@gmail.com>
To: FaigeRayzel@aol.com
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:31:58 -0400
Subject: Still no homes for Gush Katif Jews
From: <FaigeRayzel@aol.com>
Date: 2008/4/29
Subject: Fwd: Still no homes for Gush Katif Jews
To: faigerayzel@gmail.com
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Buddy Macy <vegibud@gmail.com>
To: FaigeRayzel@aol.com
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:31:58 -0400
Subject: Still no homes for Gush Katif Jews
"Disengagement" from the Gaza Strip was completed on August 22, 2005 and from northern Samaria a day later. It is now 1,000 DAYS since our fellow Jews were expelled from their homes, yet inconceivably, and tragically so, building of permanent houses for most of the expellees HAS NOT EVEN BEGUN!
Please write to Howard Rieger, Joseph Kanfer, Malcolm Hoenlein, June Walker, John Ruskay, Russell Robinson and Ronald Lauder.
howard.rieger@ujc.org,joseph.kanfer@ujc.org,malcolm@conferenceofpresidents.org,
jwalker@hadassah.org,ruskayj@ujafedny.org,rrobinson@jnf.org,rlauder@jnf.org,vegibud@gmail.com
Ask them what they have done LATELY to address the ongoing tragedy of the expellees from Gush Katif.
Ask them what would happen to the up to 250,000 Jews who would be expelled from their homes should Olmert agree to "Palestinian" demands.
Demand immediate, SIGNIFICANT ASSISTANCE TO THE EXPELLEES.
Demand that they publicly say "NO" TO THE TWO-STATE "SOLUTION."
Thank you so much.
Buddy Macy - 973-785-0057
Shalom, שלום
There will be a march from Yad Mordechai Junction to Erez Roadblock this coming Sunday (Isru-Chag Pesach - 22 Nissan [27 April]) starting at 4pm - the former residents of Gush Katif will scream "Until When Will We Be Without a House?" ... "1000 days after the uprooting, most of us haven't even started building the new house".
הודעה בעברית ב- See Hebrew article at
http://www.inn.co.il/News/News.aspx/174286הודע
"המגורשים יצעדו: 'עד מתי נהיה בלי בית?'"
"1000 ימים לאחר העקירה, רובנו טרם התחלנו בבניית הבית החדש
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