Sunday, March 01, 2020

Re: HaRav Kanievsky rules to vote in WZC . Rabbi Edelstein agrees. See short video in Vosisnaies by Rav Shmuel Kamenetsky

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Lichvod Rabbi Platnick et al

Something is very fishy here. 

Rabbi Pesach Lerner of Eretz HaKodesh  sent me this link from Matzav.com a few days ago. Note that it is no longer valid.  However a new link is now on Matzav.com that seems to tell a very different  story. What is the Emes?

Why would Rav Kamenetsky davka get involved in Israeli politics and not American politics when his position has always been for the Rabbonim in Eretz Yisroel should rule on issues re Eretz Yisroel and MGH in Chutz LeAretz doesn't take a stand. Many times we asked him to make such rulings and he refrained.

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Also this Video of Rav Kamenetsky speaking on Vosisnaies was removed today as well. I did see it this morning. 

Possibly if what you are saying is correct that Rav Kamenetsky supports voting in EY why wouldn't he publicize his support for voting in WZC as well if he indeed supports it. A private voice recording a week ago that appeared in Vosisnaies clearly confirms his dupport  about the WZO elections.

However it was a recording of a Sheila asked of him by an individual in EY and it's not clear if Rav Kamenetsky knew he was being recorded and/or if he wanted the recording publicized. 

We need a public statement  of Rav Kamenetsky clarifying his position that he was Misyaetz with HaRav Kanievsky who supported Rav Brudnys and his position re WZO that yes to vote in Chutz LeAretz!

Rav Brudnys video endorsing voting in WZC is on YouTube so it can't be removed by a news channel.

Shmuel Keonig spoke to Rav Kamenetsky directly today and he confirmed that he endorses voting in the WZC election and never retracted!


On Sun, Mar 1, 2020, 12:13 PM aclgut <aclgut@yahoo.com> wrote:
Please see the link below. The video of Rav Rav Kamenetsky is about voting in the general election not WZO

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Date: 3/1/20 9:15 AM (GMT-05:00)
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Cc: Shmuel Koenig <shmuelkoenig@verizon.net>, ACLGUT@yahoo.com, Yaniv Meirov <yanivmeirov@gmail.com>, eretzhakodeshwzo@gmail.com, Rabbi Feldman <RAF@nirc.edu>, Rabbi Shmuel Kamenetsky <talmudicalyeshiva@yahoo.com>, Odeleya Jacobs <odel216@aol.com>, Caren May <drivewithcaren@gmail.com>, Nessim and Lynne Tammam <hashoah@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: HaRav Kanievsky rules to vote in WZC . Rabbi Edelstein agrees. See short video in Vosisnaies by Rav Shmuel Kamenetsky


On Sun, Mar 1, 2020, 12:32 AM Robin Ticker <faigerayzel@gmail.com> wrote:
Lichvod Rabbi Lemberger and Rabbi Aharon Kotler, SHLITA amvsh

Please show Rabbi Malkiel Kotler Arzi and the HATIKVAH Slate.

Torah Jews were passive about claiming Eretz Yisroel before WWII.

In 1948 Torah Judaism was passive and allowed the secular Zionists, the minority of Jews in the world to decide the agenda. Unfortunately the majority of Jewry, 6 million Kedoshim perished in the Holocaust.

In 1937 the majority of Moetzet Gedolei HaTorah came up with a resolution that supported a Jewish State of Israel based on Torah.

If we stand at the side and not become involved, who can we blame other than ourselves if Secular Jews set the agenda?



כנסי' מועצת גדולי התורה במריינבד בעברית The Knessiah Gedolah of Marienbad. Moetzet Gedolei Hatorah discussion re: A Jewish State: YES or NO? Yes for Jewish State!



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Feb 28, 2020
Re: Rav Feldman"s Psak not to vote in the WZC? Maybe reading the platform of ARZA and HATIKVAH will convince Rabbi Feldman what's at stake.
https://shemittahrediscovered.blogspot.com/2020/02/re-rav-feldmans-psak-not-to-vote-in-wzc.html?m=1..

Thursday, January 23, 2020
Fwd: Vote Now to Protect the Kedusha of Eretz Yisrael! Rabbi Brudny encouraging Torah Jews to vote in the WZO Congress 
https://shemittahrediscovered.blogspot.com/2020/01/fwd-vote-now-to-protect-kedusha-of.html?m=1

Saturday, January 18, 2020
Eretz HaKodesh | Vote to Protect Kedusha and Mesorah in Eretz Yisrael fyi
Numerous Rabbanim, including HaRav Yitzchak Berkowitz and HaRav Asher Weiss of Yerushalayim, and HaRav Elya Brudny of New York, feel there is much merit in this endeavor and are encouraging us in our efforts.



Rav Kanievsky said Voting for Ben Gvir is a vote of madness. Was Rabbi Kanievsky fully informed about Duma????? This needs to be clarified! Update: 8:30 PM – Ben-Gvir will not be dropping out of the elections.

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Update:  Ben Gvir not to drop out of race 
https://www.jewishpress.com/news/politics/speculation-ben-gvir-to-stage-last-minute-drop-save-80000-rightwing-votes/2020/03/01/

"...Meanwhile, Rabbi Chaim Kanievsky, one of the most important Haredi poskim, on Sunday morning called on his followers not to vote for Ben-Gvir, because, as he put it: "Voting for him would be an act of madness.""

There is reason to believe that Rav Kanievsky isn't always given the whole story.

Who misled Rav Kanievsky

HaRav Kanievsky rules to vote in WZC. BOMBSHELL: Rabbi Shmuel Kamenetsky Releases Video To VOTE In WZO;

Friday, February 28, 2020

Re: Rav Feldman"s Psak not to vote in the WZC? Maybe reading the platform of ARZA and HATIKVAH will convince Rabbi Feldman what's at stake.

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To Those Who Wonder Why Should We Vote in the WZC Elections...Introducing ARZA Slate: Association of Reform Zionists of America Equality. Democracy. Pluralism. Israel and HATIKVAH: Progressive Israel Slate. We are Hope - We are the Progressive Israel Slate

Please open and print the following link for Rabbonim like HaRav Feldman who are against voting in the WZC yet perhaps are unfamiliar with these anti Torah Platforms and what's at stake and may not realize the full repercussions of such a Psak .

FYI The Jerusalem Program Statement
"Strengthening Israel as a Jewish, Zionist and democratic state and shaping it as an exemplary society with a unique moral and spiritual character, marked by mutual respect for the multi-faceted Jewish people, rooted in the vision of the prophets, striving for peace and contributing to the betterment of the world."

As you can see from ARZA and HATIKVAH  in the above link, they distort the Jerusalem Program statement to redefine Judaism to fit their progressive agenda.  It is quite obvious that the "Vision of the Prophets" is diametrically opposed to the vision of the HaTikvah party.

By Torah Jews rejecting "Zionism", and the WZC election, we actually encourage and allow  "Secular Zionism" to hijack true Zionism and replace Torah values  with their own values.

Rather than  not allowing this to happen by standing strong and educating naive and indoctrinated Jews to the Truth of our Heritage, we allow the Sitra Acher to misrepresent Zionism and the Jewish people. 

For thousands of years Jews pray daily for the return to Zion. If Zionism was an evil thing surely we would not include it in our prayers.  

Being a "Jewish Democratic State" is an oxymoron and is self contradictory statement when you take Democracy to an extreme as they have done.  Yes there is Democracy within Judaism as the majority rules.... except when it's for evil. 

If they are purely Democratic as per their terms,  then they can simply vote out being a Jewish State thereby possibly voting in a totalitarian State that takes away their democracy leaving them with nothing but tyranny.

Rabbi Shmuel Kamenetsky of Phildelphia Yeshiva had recently taken the same position as Rabbi Brudny to support voting in the WZC for Eretz HaKodesh.  A viral phone recording has circulated that backs this up.

On Tue, Feb 25, 2020, 9:57 PM Robin Ticker <faigerayzel@gmail.com> wrote:
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Rabbi Feldman's Psak against voting in the WZC election. 

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Fyi

The TEXT of the letter to Rav Feldman  asking whether to vote in the WZC election and the Rav's reply:
Dear Rav Feldman, 
Does the Rosh Yeshiva have an opinion regarding whether one should vote in the WZO election? In order to vote one has to affirm in their belief of the "Jerusalem Program" which is the official platform of the World Zionist Organization. 

Sincerely, 
M. S.
Miami Beach FL

Rav Feldman's reply
"My opinion is that a Jew is forbidden to declare that he is a member or ascribes to a program of an organization whose platform fails to recognize that the Jewish nation is a nation which received the Torah at Sinai. Such a Declaration is a Chilul Hashem (Desecration of G-d's Name) and may not be made no matter what material or spiritual benefits will thereby accrue. "

With deep respect, 
Aharon Feldman


fyi: Video of haRav Brudny saying it's not a problem.  This was addressed years ago and voting in the WZC is no different than Israeli elections of today that include parties like UTJ.
https://drive.google.com/.../0B86sGl9yfinjbE0wX29.../view...  -- 


My comments to Rabbi Feldman

Dear Rabbi Feldman
FYI:
The Jerusalem Program

Please note the language:
rooted in the vision of the prophets

 Rav Feldman, Isn't this an affirmation of משה קבל תורה מסיני?

The hope is that enough Yirei Shamayim will vote in this WZC election, and there are enough Torah slates among the 15 slates that  "recognize that the Jewish nation is a nation which received the Torah at Sinai".

By democratically voting for a Jewish and Torah slate, this will change the demographics of the WZC. Surely, with a majority of members who are Masorati, clarity can be inserted into the official platform of the Jerusalem Program to spell out what probably was the initial intention of the writers. 

It is clear the authors of the Jerusalem Platform want Jewish continuity.  Why do we assume otherwise? 

FYI

"The JERUSALEM PROGRAM is the official platform of the WORLD ZIONIST ORGANIZATION and the global Zionist movement, having been most recently amended and adopted in June 2004, as the successor statement to the "Basel Program" of 1897 adopted at the First Zionist Congress convened by Theodor Herzl. The Jerusalem Program states that: Zionism, the national liberation movement of the Jewish people, brought about the establishment of the State of Israel, and views a Jewish, Zionist, democratic and secure State of Israel to be the expression of the common responsibility of the Jewish people for its continuity and future."

To Those Who Wonder Why Should We Vote in the WZC Elections...Introducing ARZA Slate: Association of Reform Zionists of America Equality. Democracy. Pluralism. Israel and HATIKVAH: Progressive Israel Slate. We are Hope - We are the Progressive Israel Slate

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Those of us who support a Jewish State and a State based on Torah and are unsure why there is a need to vote please read the platforms of the other slates who will be representing us and receiving the money if we don't vote. 

Association of Reform Zionists of America. Equality. Democracy. Pluralism. Israel. 

https//arza.org

https://arza.org/who-we-are/world-zionist-congress-elections/

Our Representation:Through our success in the past elections (2015), we were able to have the largest number of seats, 56 out of 145. We were then able to ensure that over $4,000,000 a year ($20 million over 5 years) of financial support goes to our Reform movement in Israel. In addition, we were able to appoint key professionals to carry out our Reform Jewish values within Israel's National Institutions (including the Jewish Agency and Keren Kayemeth Lelsrael) that help implement Reform values such as Equality, Pluralism, and commitment to a Two-State Solution.

We also joined forces with Israeli political parties to influence Israeli society in matters of conversion, marriage and divorce, religious pluralism, gender rights, and combatting racism; as a result, we have passed key resolutions in the World Zionist Organization's policy body for equality, transparency, and pluralism.  Our faction currently includes the Meretz and Labor parties and will be subject to change after the next round of elections.

This year, in 2020 we hope to have an even stronger representation and look forward to all Reform Jews in the United States to stand up and be counted!

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From: Rabbi Rick Jacobs and Jennifer Brodkey Kaufman <presidentandchair@mail.rj.org>

Date: Tue, Feb 25, 2020, 12:31 PM

Subject: Urgent Election Update

Today, we are writing to share an urgent appeal concerning the World Zionist Congress election.

As we hope you know, the election for the 2020 World Zionist Congress is open for another two weeks, and a strong showing by the "Vote Reform" slate is critical. Voting closes on March 11th, just after Purim. (If you are unfamiliar with the World Zionist Congress, often known as the parliament of the Jewish people, you can learn everything you need to know on the ARZA website.)

The results of the election are nothing short of essential for the Israel Movement for Reform and Progressive Judaism (IMPJ), whose funding streams are determined by the results of the election.

So much of the dramatic growth of our Movement in Israel throughout the past five years can be traced directly to our success in the 2015 WZC election. This year, our Reform partners in Israel have asked over and over again, with deep concern, about our campaign work here in the United States – and they cannot stress enough the importance of a strong showing by our Movement.

Get Out the Vote »

Perhaps surprisingly, political leaders and members of Knesset from across the political and religious spectrum are also focused on the WZC election. Many of them, recognizing our Movement's growing numeric strength and influence, have emphasized how much is at stake.

In addition to determining the flow of funding directly to the institutions of our Movement, the election will determine the policy of key Israeli institutions (such as the Jewish Agency and Keren Kayemeth L'Israel, or KKL – JNF Israel) on issues such as economic justice and the funding of settlements outside the generally accepted borders of Israel. 

We have made it clear to both our IMPJ partners and Israeli political leadership that our Movement has made the World Zionist Congress election one of our highest priorities.

We've described to them the energy, passion, and dedication that our congregations have put into the campaign. We've assured that that, thanks to your efforts, our entire Movement is working together, and the 2020 election has unprecedented visibility in our congregations. 

However, it is with both sadness and alarm that we have witnessed some truly ugly efforts to undermine us, carried out by those who recognize that our success will allow us to more effectively advance our Reform views and values. Some slates have gone so far as to explicitly claim that we are supporters of BDS and haters of "true Judaism."

They fear that our victory would be critical in advancing religious pluralism, peace, and economic justice in Israel. They are right to be afraid – because that is exactly what we intend to do! 

Here is our challenge: Even as hard as we are working, we need to do more. We are grateful for all the work taking place across the county – but we are also concerned that we are not getting the number of votes we need. In the last election, there was little competition; this time, the battle for votes is far more intense.

We ask every leader of every one of our congregations: What more can you do to assure that the Reform/ARZA slate not only earns the most votes but does so with a wide enough margin to effectively advance our values in these critical Israeli institutions?

Consider:

Have you yourself voted? Have members of your family? 

Have you shared information about the election with your own network in person, by phone, and/or on social media? 

Is the election highlighted in your congregational communications?

Have you set up "polling places" in your congregation? 

Can you use the March 3rd U.S. presidential primaries as an opportunity to share a "Vote twice on Super Tuesday" message?

How can you leverage your Purim carnival as a time to bring people in and get out the vote?

We have created a rich, helpful congregational toolkit that will give you everything you need to step up your efforts. 

Friends, Israel is at a crossroads, and we have a real opportunity to make our voices heard on the most profound issues confronting the state. We have the strongest platform and the deepest record of results. 

We are proudly PRO-ISRAEL, and we are steadfastly PRO-DEMOCRACY, PRO-PLURALISM and PRO-PEACE. No other slate is as committed to these three principles as is Vote Reform.  

And ours is the only one that has demonstrated that our "boots on the ground" – a coalition of the Progressive Movement's communities around the world, working with allies in Israel who share our values – truly advance our agenda with financial resources and powerful leadership. 

Please, let's not rest until the election is over. We are off to a great start, but as the finish lines comes into view, we need shift into higher gear. We need to finish strong – and with your leadership, that's exactly what we will do. 

L'shalom,

Jennifer Brodkey Kaufman

Chair, URJ

Rabbi Rick Jacobs

President, URJ

Get Out the Vote »

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HATIKVAH: Progressive Israel Slate

We are Hope - We are the Progressive Israel Slate

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LdYyeNNrpU3nkosP9jksOkQ7vHMix9YI/view?usp=drivesdk 

Vote for the Hatikvah Slate to Support a Democratic Jewish State!

We are inspired by Israel's Declaration of Independence –which proclaimed the State" will be based on the precepts of liberty, justice and peace as taught by the Prophets; and will uphold the full social and political equality of all its citizens, without distinction of race, creed, or sex; and will guarantee full freedom of conscience worship, educationa andculture." Our commitment is to democracy and the rule of law, believing that all citizens of the State of Israel must be treated equally, and their civil and human rights protected. We oppose policies of discrimination, fear, and tribalism.We fiercely oppose the current policy of permanent occupation and annexation. It is unjust and will end Israel's democracy. The occupation is sustained by ongoing policies of repression that only serve to exacerbate conflict and require daily violence to maintain it.

We proudly stand with those Israelis searching for peace with Palestine. Their understanding, broadly shared at the highest levels of Israel's security services, that the current policies ultimately harm Israel's security, needs to be supported publicly and energetically so that a meaningful peace process can gain the popular support necessary to nurture and develop it.

Peace-seeking Israelis and Palestinians urgently need the encouragement and assistance of the Zionist movement to support their programs of dialogue, combined with political action to achieve our shared vision of a negotiated, mutually accepted two-state solution in which Israelis and Palestinians can live in peace and mutual security. This will also enable full and open peace with the Arab world and end Israel's growing pariah status.

We wholeheartedly support religious and cultural pluralism in Israeli society. For the State of Israel to be a primary engine for Jewish creative continuity, it must empower, not oppose, the wide range of Jewish cultural and religious expression.

We stand with Israelis demanding the protection of the rights of women, including equal pay for equal work, equal opportunity in politics, an end to enforced segregation, and an end to discrimination against women's full participation in public events, both military and civilian. We stand with Israelis fighting against vigilante "modesty patrols" and other acts of harassment against women. 

We stand with Israelis that welcome asylum seekers, treat foreign workers with the dignity that they deserve, and fight against racism in their society, be it against Jews of color or people of other faiths.

We stand with Israelis striving to ensure full legal and social equality for the LGBTQ community, including marriage rights.

We also stand with Israelis working to promote environmental sustainability and support working with Palestinians and neighboring countries to deal with regional threats to climate and to water resources.

Within our communities in North America, we also have much work to do. Against the challenge of anti-Semitism and white supremacist movements, we will work with communal partners, especially Muslim organizations, to promote a common defense to our shared safety and values through interfaith and intercommunal dialogue. 

We are aligned with the values and policies of the Israeli Labor Party, Meretz, the Green Movement, and other like-minded Israeli movements, organizations, and activists.

Together, we work to ensure that the Israel we leave to future generations reflects the best of the values, traditions and hopes we inherited from previous generations, while moving past endless conflict and toward a brighter future of peace.