Re: Rabbi Meir Kahane In answer to his critics... Terrible stain?

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From: Robin Ticker
Date: Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: Rabbi Meir Kahane
To: Alon 

Bsd

Lichvod Rabbi Lau and Alon, n"y

You were and are being fed disinformation about Rabbi Kahana and his followers and you are passing it along. 

Alon, the links to the articles you sent just keep spreading slander without really listening and addressing  the points that Rabbi Kahane makes.

Please go to the source. After all, you are an intelligent academic.   

It pays to actually listen to Rabbi Kahane speak and then address his points rather than continuously calling him names like racist, dangerous terrorist, supporter of Nuremberg Laws, fascist etc. repeating the slander.  

Rabbi Kahane pointed out a fundamental difference between Arabs in Israel and Jews in Germany. 

Jews in Germany didn't want to takeover Germany and throw the Germans out of their Land. Actually they were proud Germans and wanted to be the best possible Germans ever.

Not so the Palestinians be it Hamas or Fatah. "From the River to the Sea is their Battle Cry" and "Intifada, Intifada."

This changes the entire context of this discussion.

This Terrorist designation of Kahane was a political one rather than an accurate one based on actual evidence that he advocated  Terrorism..in fact, there is growing public knowledge that his supporters have been targeted for entrapment by the Shabak Division of Jewish Terror trying very hard with moles and informants to entrap Settler youth and try to provoke them to engage in acts of aggression, or revenge and then branding them Jewish terrorists. It serves a political agenda and helps the 2 State Solution Narrative.

Here are just 2 examples.

A recent documentary exposed that Shabak agents were enlisted to marry Settler girls in the 1980s so that they can spy on the Settlers without their wives or their community  knowing who they really were to entice them and engage them in acts of Jewish Terror, to commit Price Tag vandalism or worse.   

More recently, Hilltop youth, some minors were detained, arrested, denied habeous corpus, denied  a lawyer. Shabak staged a fake prison scene in Acco prison for the sole purpose of threatening a minor Hilltop Youth A. to confess to crimes of Jewish Terror. He and Ab. were 2 of many Hilltop Youth suspects of the Duma arson.  He and Ab. were tortured to the point that A. tried to commit suicide and just asked that they should tell him what he needs to confess and he will ablige. Ab's testimony of the  Duma arson was thrown out after 3 and a half years of him sitting in prison. They were not treated like Arab prisoners. Arab prisoners had great accommodations in comparison. 

 First if all they were suspects, yet they were labeled ticking time bombs, separated from other religious inmates for crimes of which there is no credible evidence after 3 and a half years and still living under house arrest with terrible restrictions!

Pray tell who here is guilty of fascism?

Let's revert back to Rabbi Kahane discussion.

I believe Rabbi  Kahane would agree with the following and has openly said so in his videos..

All loyal non Jews residing in Israel should have full civil and economic rights. But not voting rights. 

Their quality of life would still be far superior than in Muslim countries and if they are not happy with this setup  they can emigrate to a Muslim country.

 Many Arabs are thrilled to live in Israel proper, with health benefits, education and a job even without voting rights. (My comments)

All disloyal residents advocating Israels destruction should leave.

In America, we recite I pledge Allegience and all law abiding American cirizens are fine with that. 

Why should someone who hates America benefit from all its social services be it health, education and protection. 

Why is Israel any different?

Loyal non Jews to Israel and there are many, are deserving of basic human and civil rights.

Our enemies are not.

Why should Palestinian education incorporate jihad in their curriculum paid for by Israel or the USA?

Why should Israel tolerate hate education? Don't they have the obligation to their citizens, not  only a right to oversee and censor such hate education.

Why should Israel put up with residents who don't "pledge allegiance" and are potentially dangerous?

Does this mean Rabbi Kahane was preaching violence by raising such issues Israel faces and offers a solution, transferring hostile enemies of Israel to 22 neighboring countries, a solution that he feels is not violent? 

True that's easier said than done.

Didn't Jews go through the Holocaust and had no way to defend themselves? How can one easily defend oneself from the enemy from within. 

Aren't many Palestinians fans of Hitler Yemach Shemo and his Final Solution?  

Let's weed out the evil. It is a significant number and we can't afford not to.

That is a reality Israel must address.

This is what our enemies would love us not to do quite obviously. 

Rabbi Kahane pointed out that the world  successfully makes Israel feel guilty for defending themselves by accusing  their military force of War Crimes.

This makes Israel afraid of targeting their manipulative  enemies  especially when they are using human shields, hospitals and schools from where to shoot their rockets against innocent Israeli civilians. 

Our enemies realize that there is no point in fighting a superior army so rather they use PR as a weapon to  get Israel to be afraid to use their strength out of fear of bad press.

The Torah is Just and Righteous.   One day All the Nation's of the World Will Praise the G-d of Israel and they will see Peace, Truth and Justice prevail!

On Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 5:52 PM Alon Segev <allonsegev@gmail.com wrote:

Why don't you forward your letter to AIPAC and Jewish British communities? (Links below)

I for part would be grateful not be the recipient of any messages advocating Kahane, Goldstein, Tag Price, and Hill Top Youth.

Sorry, violence doesn't turn me on.

Thanks!

https://www.ajc.org/news/ajc-statement-on-otzma-yehudit-party

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/british-jewish-groups-condemn-netanyahu-alliance-with-the-israeli-far-right-1.480433

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On Feb 28, 2019, at 3:43 PM, Robin Ticker <faigerayzel@gmail.com> wrote:

Bsd

Before rushing to conclusions of articles calling Rabbi Kahane and his supporters all kinds of names accusing them of no religion, morals and conscience, why not do some first hand research and listen to what Rabbi Kahane had to say and address each of his points in a civil debate.

Please feel free to listen to video clips of his speeches, debates etc found in the online link below.   If you have additional video clips proving Kahane wishes to murder innocent Arabs, or whatever to help prove your point that aren't on this list, please send them to me. I have yet to find such a clip.

Fyi 

I personally knew Dr. Baruch Goldstein, his parents, his wife and sister. Nice people no different than any of us.  American, kind, involved in helping others. Never heard a racist remark from any of them.

All I can say is that murdering 29 innocent Arabs praying in a mosque was totally out of character. He was a compassionate doctor and religious.

My European parents who visited me in Kiryat Arba, not the Dati Leumi type, also were impressed with the Doctor.

Of course I wasn't there and dont know what happened that day in Maarat Hamachpela. None of us were. Only G-d knows the entire picture  Bullets were found on the ceiling. 

All I can say is that there is nothing in the Torah that permits murder. 

One however is allowed to defend oneself.

The Nation of Israel upon leaving Egypt were commanded to conquer the Land of Israel as per the Covenant G-d made with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as an everlasting Covenant.

We as Jews are commanded to keep the Commandments in the Land and we were warned not to follow the inhumane practices of the 7 Canaanite countries then occupying the Land who sacrificed their children to the Molech (form of idolotry).

 This idolotrous practice  reminds us today  of a Palestinian mother's pride of her Jihadi children and the prevalent glorification of Jihad in Palestinian education, culture and society.

This glorification of terror, killing innocent Arabs is not what one finds among Settler Youth and their education and what they have been taught by their parents.

Some commandments include letting the Land go fallow every 7 years which reminds us who really owns the Land, the Almighty Creator who chooses to whom to give the Land. 

Wanting a Jewish homeland is as racist as Trump wanting America to stay true to the vision of the founding Fathers of America by vetting illegal Immigrants to make sure that they share such vision basically Judeo Christian morality and ethics. He probably will want to reject those who  will undermine America to replace it with their own vision, Sharia for example.

Everyone would agree that as the rightful owner of a house, you have a right to keep people in or out.

Many Palestinians have claimed ownership of Israel and are dreaming of exercising their right to throw out Jews.

The question remains who do you believe is the rightful owner?

To justify our Settlement in Israel, we go by The Book, the Torah. Let's add to that, military law,  the wars Israel won after being attacked first. Then add to that  International Law starting with San Remo Conference giving Jews the rights to settle their historic Biblical Homeland. Let's add the historic vote in 1948 to recognize Israel, the 67 war and the ongoing military threat Israel finds itself surrounded by 22 Muslim countries, often hostile.  Based on this, many embrace Otzma Yehudit ideology who supports Rabbi Kahanes vision of defending our rights to the Land of Israel and when necessary transferring  out hostile and terror  supporting pro  Hamas pro Jihad Palestinians  out of Israel into the neighboring Muslim COUNTRIES.

Kahane was not a racist no different than a home owner is being racist for keeping out hostile elements

Denying Israel the right to defend itself by smearing the name of the IDF is a dream come true for all of Israel enemies.

If the world is unhappy with a strong unapologetic Jewish Military that's too bad. It's non negotiable as it should be for self preservation.. 

Here you will find links to Rabbi Kahane actually speaking. Don't believe what others write about him. Others have an agenda. Trust your own ears and  judgement!

https://shemittahrediscovered.blogspot.com/2019/02/rabbi-meir-kahane.html?m=1

On Feb 28, 2019 3:33 PM, "Alon Segev" <allonsegev@gmail.com> wrote:

Mr Landau has been under massive attack for what he said.

(Before he spoke up, I saw the Jewish British communities condemning Nethanyahu for his deals with "Otsma Yehudit.")

Eventually, it's only a matter of pr and pc: Otsma Yehudit Party voices straightforwardly and clearly the dominant racist worldview among Israelis without masking it.

The deals with between Otsma Yehudit  and Nethanyahu led to unprecedented tension with AIPAC, but unfortunately - and this is the most important thing - to no questions of moral, religion, and conscience

 

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To my community I say: This is a terrible stain

To my community I say: This is a terrible stain I stand by what I told my congregants this Sabbath: The Otzma Yehudit party is based on race theory and this sho...

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Fwd: FBI Calls Omar's District "Terror Capital Of America"?

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Subject: FBI Calls Omar's District "Terror Capital Of America"?
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Fwd: JNS: ZOA Criticizes AIPAC/ADL/AJC Hypocrisy For Condemning Otzma, But Not Extreme Israeli Arab Parties

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Share Tweet Forward JNS: ZOA Criticizes AIPAC/ADL/AJC Hypocrisy For Condemning Otzma, But Not Extreme Israeli Arab Parties Amid American Jewish criticism over Otzma Yehudit Party, concern arises about language By Sean Savage and Jackson Richman (February 26, 2019 / JNS) The fallout over the recent merger of Otzma Yehudit with the Jewish Home Party—a bid by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to bolster his right-wing coalition ahead of April 9 elections—appears to have exacerbated already strained ties between Israel and several American Jewish organizations. While prominent American Jewish groups, such as AIPAC, the American Jewish Committee and Anti-Defamation League, were outspoken in their criticism of Otzma Yehudit, describing the party as "racist" and "reprehensible" and having "hate-filled rhetoric," the groups did stop short of directly criticizing Netanyahu. However, other American Jewish groups, such as Rabbi Rick Jacobs, president of the Union for Reform Judaism, compared to merger to the "the equivalent in the United States of the KKK being welcomed into the corridors of power." While the Conservative/Masorti movement refrained from the harsher language of its Reform counterparts, it did condemn Otzma Yehudit as a "racist" Israeli political party. "Otzma Yehudit should not be further legitimized in any sense, and we hope and pray that the party returns to a place of irrelevance," it stated. Yet T'ruah, a liberal rabbinic group, went a step further and not only condemned the merger, but also called on the Internal Revenue Service to investigate U.S. charities that allegedly support Otzma Yehudit. "We call on Prime Minister Netanyahu to reject any coalition with [Rabbi Meir] Kahane's disciples, and we demand that the IRS ensure that American taxpayer dollars will no longer support these dangerous extremists." On a related tangent, there has been concern that some of the criticism directed towards Netanyahu, and more broadly Israel, can be misconstrued and bolster arguments by critics of Israel, including the BDS movement. Malcolm Hoenlein, executive vice chairman of the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, told JNS that both Israelis and Americans need to be more cognizant of language used, saying "Israeli leaders and Jewish groups need to be sensitive to how things are perceived that, even if not intended, can be subject to misuse by those who have been fighting against Israel." Daniel Pipes, founder and president of the Middle East Forum, told JNS that terminology is subjective, and that he has a degree of skepticism in the use of terms such as "far-right" or "racist." "As someone who studies nationalist parties in Europe that are routinely characterized as 'far-right' or 'racist,' I have learned to be wary of these terms. What I know of Otzma Yehudit suggests it advocates a tough policy toward the Palestinians, but I do not discern racism. This being the case, Likud's working to bring it into the Knesset looks legitimate." Avoiding involvement in Israeli elections The fallout over the Otzma Yehudit merger comes amid ongoing rankling between Israel and American Jewry in the last several years. Similarly, demographics and politics have also played a role in exacerbating disagreements between the two largest Jewish communities in the world. Netanyahu and U.S. President Donald Trump have formed a close relationship, with Netanyahu enthusiastically backing Trump's policies on Iran and the U.S. embassy move from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. This comes as a large majority of American Jews oppose Trump, largely on his domestic agenda, and voted overwhelmingly for Hillary Clinton in 2016 and for Democrats in the 2018 midterm elections. For its part, the Trump administration has refrained from commenting on the Israeli elections, with Secretary of State Mike Pompeo telling CNN that "we're not about to get involved in an election, to interfere in an election of a democracy." A number of American Jewish organizations echoed this approach and refrained from commenting on the election. "B'nai B'rith traditionally refrains from commenting on Israeli elections. Ultimately, Israeli voters will have to make those judgments," said Dan Maraschin, CEO and vice president of B'nai B'rith International. Likewise, NORPAC told JNS that "it does not get involved in Israeli elections." The Republican Jewish Coalition also has "a long-standing policy of not commenting on Israel's domestic politics. Ultimately this is a matter for the people of Israel, not for US. organizations to weigh in on." However, Democratic Jewish groups did criticize the merger. The Democratic Majority for Israel said it felt "compelled" to speak out against "the possibility that followers of radical racist Meir Kahane could enter Israel's parliament." "Making such individuals parliamentarians would be an insult to the ideals embodied in Israel's Declaration of Independence, and the principles espoused by every previous Israeli Prime Minister from every party. "We cannot expect others to stand up against anti-Semitism if we do not oppose bigotry and extremism in all its forms. This development in Israel is inconsistent with its democratic tradition and our values," said the Jewish Democratic Council of America. Why the silence on extremist Arab-Israeli parties? While right-wing American Jewish organizations also refrained from weighing in on internal Israeli politics, they instead argued that there has been a degree of hypocrisy in some of the U.S. Jewish group's criticism. In a statement, the Zionist Organization of America said that American Jewish groups were quick were to condemn the merger, but have not spoken out about mergers on the Israeli left, especially among Israeli-Arab parties, which oppose the existence of the Jewish state. "It's strange, troubling and hypocritical that the Anti-Defamation League, AIPAC, the American Jewish Committee and the Israel Policy Forum condemned the technical merger of two small right-wing pro-Israeli political parties, Otzma Yehudit (Jewish Strength) and Bayit Yehudi (Jewish Home), but remained silent about mergers of anti-Israel Arab parties led by Arab Knesset members who oppose the Jewish state's existence and engage in outright treacherous conduct, including assisting Palestinian Arab terrorists and inciting anti-Jewish terror," the ZOA said in a statement. "While harshly criticizing Otzma Yehudit, [they] have all been silent about the terror-fomenting, hatred-spewing anti-Israel, Arab party leaders and parties running for Knesset, including Ayman Odeh and Ahmed Tibi, and about P.A. dictator Mahmoud Abbas brokering the merger of the Arab Communist Hadash Party and Arab Nationalist Ta'al Party." Similarly, the Coalition of Jewish Values said that Otzmah Yehudit's positions are "moderate" compared to "the statements, positions and outright support for terrorism of several Arab Knesset members. It is utterly unfair to deny a hearing to Otzma Yehudit voters on the appropriate response to that hatred." "Our consistent view is that American Jews should not be telling Israelis how to run their country," stated Rabbi Yaakov Menken, managing director of the CJV. "In this case, the intervention of the AJC and AIPAC is both startling and deeply troubling. Considering the support for terrorism shown by multiple Arab [Knesset members], to uniquely criticize Otzma Yehudit seems to reflect bias against Jews, rather than a sincere desire for the elimination of hatred and bigotry on all sides." Copyright © Zionist Organization of America 2019, All rights reserved. Our mailing address is: Zionist Organization of America 633 3rd Ave New York, NY 10017  Want to change how you receive these emails? You can update your preferences or unsubscribe from this list.