bs"d Rav Waldman opinion on a YESHA army with Rabbinic sanction

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This discussion calls for an open debate!!!

Yesterday night I had a lengthy phone discussion with Rav Waldman.  Rav Waldman has been a true supporter and builder of Yesha, a respected Rosh Yeshiva of  Nir Kiryat Arba and someone that has always spoken with clarity regarding our entitlement of all parts of Eretz Yisroel.. 

But I asked his opinion to a matter that the Jews in Yesha are afraid to speak about openly and is disussed behind closed door especially among the teenagers..

I said as follows:

Given our Divine entitlement to Eretz Yisroel based on the Torah and given the facts on the ground of the illegal and immoral way the Gov't of Israel (GOI) has been treating the Jews of Yesha and the many legitimate grievances the settlers of Yesha have against the GOI,  far more intolerable than the intolderable acts of the 13 Colonies...

- and  whereas, the GOI has many times failed to protect its citizens in YESHA from Arab Aggression and have instead persecuted the settlers of YESHA when they act in self defense by throwing them in jail or  putting them in administrative detention

- and whereas, the GOI  has confiscated the weapons of the settlers in very dangerous areas or has plans to confiscate their weapons.

- and whereas the GOI has a corrupt Supreme Court whose judges are appointed based on politics and  have a history of  corruption, bribes and  discrimination against the settlers

-  and whereas the GOI has forcibly destroyed the homes and property of its most loyal citizens and tax payers and has brought untold grief upon innocent families and communities in Gush Katif and in the Shomron

- and whereas the GOI is planning to do the same to the Jews living in Judea and Samaria and parts of Jerusalem, whose legality is determined  by them simply by politics but not by our Biblical, Historic connection and entitlement of the Land of Israel

- and whereas the PA (Palestinian Authority) has an agenda and openly will educate their children with the agenda of the destruction of Israel

- and whereas, the security of the rest of Israel including it's major airport and Power plant are clearly visible from what will become Palestine, thereby endangering the lives of all Israeli's

- Whereas the media is controlled largely by the left portraying the settlers as lawless, extremists, believers in a Messianic cult, militant promoting terror against masses of innocent Arab civilians and the rightist media is surpressed, 

- and whereas the settlers of Judea and Samaria belong to a country that wishes to cut them off

HOW ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO RESPOND when the Border Police and IDF attack them with clubs and riot gear and beat up the men women and children when they assert their entitlement to living on our Land?

Given the fact that the Settlers have tried to the best of their abillities to setlle the differences peacefully and the gov't has refused to listen...

Would the Rabbanim support the legitimate right of Yesha to unite for their own self preservation and assert their rightful entitlement to Eretz Yisroel, institute self rule in accordance of Torah with the backing of Rabbinic Leadership and choose officials and representatives to help govern and authorize the formation of a Yesha army whose purpose is  to defend themselves against Kassam or Yassam or progroms?

Rabbi Waldman told me that while he is in agreement as per our entitlement and the grievances,  he is in disagreement with me on this decision to allow a Yesha army to oppose the Israeli army and that it would be irresponsible to take such a route. He is hoping for a different government other than the present administration not making this step necessary. Pehaps he still believes that when push comes to shove the GOI will protect its citizens and the Jewish people.

 I am hoping that Rabbi Waldman will think practically about what happened in Mumbai and armed with the knowledge that Fatah  is not at all moderate or peaceloving and the release of terrorists and the expulsion of Beit Hashalom and the influx of monies flowing to the Palestinians and the hateful rhetoric of the imams towards the Jews of Hebron is reaching a boiling point waiting to explode.

But Let's celebrate!   The Religous Zionists are Uniting with the Agudist Rabbanim.

What do you mean?  Is this for real? Yes,  I can verify that indeed I do not lie and it is for real!

"On what have they United?", you ask with burning curiosity?

Well here's an answer.   They have united in rejecting  ideas on establishing A Torah Authority in Yesha and a declaration of Independence from the STATE of Israel.. 

It is a historical fact that the GOI was established by secular Jews who were strong Zionists but did not recognize that the Torah is necessary for our setltlement of Zion.

It is also true that many of the Chareidi Jews felt that settling the Land of Israel according to the Torah is only for the Messianic Time and does not recognize that the proper time has come.  They do not see the Land of Israel relevant to their practical observance of Torah and they will not speak out against a Palestinian State or for our entitlement of Yesha.

So the secular society rejects our precous gift the Torah and the Chareidi society rejects our precious gift Eretz Yisroel.

So lets suggest the following path to Teshuva and at the same time unite both sectors of our population.  This solution calls for a rejection of a Secular State and the birth of a  Jewish Governed Land governed  by Torah and mitzvoth as per the guidance of Authentic Torah leaders who demonstrate fear of Heaven and Belief in One G-d and  not swayed by politics.  The end result will be that the Nations of the World will recognize "Am Chacham Venavon, that we are a wise and just and H-ly Nation, a Mamlechet Kohaninim VeGoy Kadosh, a kingdom of priests and this will bring peace and prosperity to Mankind. 

Maybe Moshiach is knocking very loudly at our door and we are turning him away.

Now let's study some American History. (Notes taken from Mrs. Blum 5th Grade Class Toras Emes)

May 1775: The Second Continental Congress met in Philadelphia. The patriots sent a letter called the Olive Branch Petition to King George III.  It told of their desire for peace and asked him to repeal the Intolerable Acts.  The decided to form a colonial army.  They asked all colonies to send soldiers.

George Washington was chosen to lead the Continental Army.  The Congress also asked each Colony to give money to support the army. They needed to pay full-time soldiers, buy guns, bullets, food and uniforms.  They also voted to print their own money (Continental Currency).

January 1776: Thomas Paine published Common Sense.  He attacked King George III and questioned the idea of one person having all the authority to rule.  He felt that people should rule themselves.  Paine called for a revolution (a complete change of government).

Richard Henry Lee of Virginia spoke to Congress.  He said that the colonies no longer owed allegiance to the King.  Congress waited almost a month before voting on the idea of cutting off ties with Britain.  Not all of the colonies were ready to independence.  In the meantime they formed a committee to draw up a declaration of Independence.

Committee Members:  Benjamin Franklin, John Adams, Robert Livingston, Roger Sherman, Thomas Jefferson.

Thomas Jefferson: 33 years old; from Virginia, main author of declaration, lawyer, studied gov't , spent 17 days and nights writing.

Parts of the Declaration of Independence:

Introduction:

It States why the Declaration was needed.  People must cut themselves off from the country they belong to when they find they have no choice.  They must also explain their reasons for seeking independence.

Second Part:

it lists the colonists' main ideas about government.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Third Part;

it lists the colonists' girevances against the King, the ways they tried to settle their differences peacefully, and the way the king refused to listen.

Last Part:

Delares Independence

War on Kosher

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I'm afraid that this battle against Rubashkin has much less to do about upholding the law than it does about unchecked antisemitism.  Employing illegal immigrants is commonly done because it serves a mutual need and if you are not caught everyone turns a blind eye.  Of course people prefer to do things legally but sometimes there are considerations which include hiring someone that is capable and affordable with a prayer that this individual will be given citizenship because of his/her fine character that would be an asset to America.

I am not here to defend Rubashkin or to speak out against them since I don't know the facts.  But one doesn't need to know the facts to know that the issue of illegal immigrants is not just Rubashkin's problem and they should not be getting the brunt of criminal prosecution and a double standard on Rubashkin family alone when the same illegatlities are commonly shared by a majority of upright, law abiding American Citizens.

Sincerely, Robin Ticker

Dear Friends,

I have just read and signed the petition: "The War on Kosher".

Please take a moment to read about this important issue, and join me in signing the petition. It takes just 30 seconds, but can truly make a difference. We are trying to reach 15000 signatures - please sign here: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/Waronkosher

Once you have signed, you can help even more by asking your friends and family to sign as well.

Thank you! Robin

Australian Friends of Gush Katif and Shomron Letter of Condemnation re: Beit Hashalom

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This letter of condemnation to the Ambassador to Israel to be delivered to the Prime Minister follows a similar strongly worded letter from the Toronto Zionist Council to Israel's Ambassador in Ottawa and the  Israel Consulate General in Toronto

 http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/128764#replies

The Young Israel also sent a strong letter of concern.

Let's keep the letters coming.  Robin

From: <eidelberg@foundation1.org>

 

09/12/08                                                                                          With G-d's blessing                     B"H

 

Australian Friends of Gush Katif & Shomron Inc

P.O. Box 653

Elsternwick,Victoria

AUSTRALIA 3185

 

PRESS RELEASE

CONTACT: MOSHE ELKMAN   Chairman

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
                                                                           
                 Telephone: (+613) 9528 3395
                 Email: thecoatman@yahoo.com.au

     CALL TO ISRAEL - PROTECT THE RIGHTS OF JEWS

Following the forcible eviction of Jews from the Peace House in Hebron last Thursday (4 December 2008), the Australian Friends of Gush Katif & Shomron Inc (AFOGKAS) will travel to Canberra this Wednesday (10 December 2008) to call on Israel to right this terrible injustice.  The way in which the legal rights of these Israeli citizens were trampled upon has drawn stern condemnation in Israel and from around the world.  The central issue is that the legal rights of these evictees were patently and blatantly violated in a most aggressive manner and this conduct can neither be condoned, tolerated endorsed or repeated.
AFOGKAS will be delivering to the Israeli Ambassador a letter for the Prime Minister of Israel formally calling upon him to ensure that the legal rights of the evictees are restored forthwith and they be permitted to re-occupy the Peace House immediately.      
A short vigil will then be held outside the Israeli Embassy where the theme will be:

 Israel - Protect the Rights of Jews NOW!

 

fwd: Chaim Richman - NEW UTUBE FILM - Emergency Campaign Against Two State Solution - Please Distribute

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Please view, go on the website to sign on and forward.  Thanks. Robin

From: Chaim Richman <rabbirichman@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 3:16 PM
Subject: new film - emergency campaign against two state solution - please distribute

A new group has formed, of which I am a member, solely for the purpose of mounting a public campaign against the two state solution which we fear is going to be forced upon Israel in the immediate future by Obama and Blair. Time is running out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFtts9TfJlA   
You can also check out www.the18.org
Blessings
Chaim Richman

--
Rabbi Chaim Richman
Director, International Department
The Temple Institute
PO Box 31876 Jerusalem, Israel
www.templeinstitute.org

To the Manhigut Team - bs"d May you go from Strength to Strength LeToval - Yasher Koach! Robin

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To Moshe Feiglin and the Manhigut Team!

You are a team that has fear of G-d and truly committed and connected to the Torah! 

May you continue to educate the people with our Jewish Heritage and lead the Nation of Israel with strength against our common enemy.who have shown their true colors in Mumbai.

Let the leftist Media not learn firsthand as did Dan Perl what the Jewish Nation is up against in this present time, and work with us rather than against us to destroy our common hateful enemies rather than portray those like Moshe Feiglin that stand for good, justice and peace with name calling such as  "hawkish, extremist, radical or fanatical".

Let their eyes be open to understand that it is them, the leftist media  that is empowering the forces of evil to continue and let them understand that it is the very individuals whom they mock that are truly desirous of goodness, real peace and prosperity.

I hope it doesn't take an attack on Ben Gurion runways or on a nuclear power plant from the newly established "State of Palestine", G-d forbid, (now within shooting range),  to penetrate the minds of leftist reporters such as Josh Mitnick and give them an understanding that what they have reported through their depiction of Fatah as peaceloving and moderate is actually the very opposite.  Let them realize that they have indirectly strengthened Islamic fundamentalism, and Nazi ideology with their leftist media slant, one sided and inaccurate reporting.

We do not want them to learn the hard way or for them or their kids to witness more gruesome torture and mutilation of innocent civilians firsthand.

Fear of the One and only G-d and respect for our H-ly Torah is the first step towards this understanding. If they show tolerance for  "religious" beliefs of our enemies, who advocate our destruction, can't they first show some tolerance and go back to their own Jewish Heritage for some answers. .

We want the leftwing Jewish journalists to gain an  understanding before it is too late.

Moshe Feiglin has overcome in spite of spiteful press and may he continue to win the hearts and mind of the people.