Re: Rabbi Meir Kahane In answer to his critics... Terrible stain?

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From: Robin Ticker
Date: Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: Rabbi Meir Kahane
To: Alon 

Bsd

Lichvod Rabbi Lau and Alon, n"y

You were and are being fed disinformation about Rabbi Kahana and his followers and you are passing it along. 

Alon, the links to the articles you sent just keep spreading slander without really listening and addressing  the points that Rabbi Kahane makes.

Please go to the source. After all, you are an intelligent academic.   

It pays to actually listen to Rabbi Kahane speak and then address his points rather than continuously calling him names like racist, dangerous terrorist, supporter of Nuremberg Laws, fascist etc. repeating the slander.  

Rabbi Kahane pointed out a fundamental difference between Arabs in Israel and Jews in Germany. 

Jews in Germany didn't want to takeover Germany and throw the Germans out of their Land. Actually they were proud Germans and wanted to be the best possible Germans ever.

Not so the Palestinians be it Hamas or Fatah. "From the River to the Sea is their Battle Cry" and "Intifada, Intifada."

This changes the entire context of this discussion.

This Terrorist designation of Kahane was a political one rather than an accurate one based on actual evidence that he advocated  Terrorism..in fact, there is growing public knowledge that his supporters have been targeted for entrapment by the Shabak Division of Jewish Terror trying very hard with moles and informants to entrap Settler youth and try to provoke them to engage in acts of aggression, or revenge and then branding them Jewish terrorists. It serves a political agenda and helps the 2 State Solution Narrative.

Here are just 2 examples.

A recent documentary exposed that Shabak agents were enlisted to marry Settler girls in the 1980s so that they can spy on the Settlers without their wives or their community  knowing who they really were to entice them and engage them in acts of Jewish Terror, to commit Price Tag vandalism or worse.   

More recently, Hilltop youth, some minors were detained, arrested, denied habeous corpus, denied  a lawyer. Shabak staged a fake prison scene in Acco prison for the sole purpose of threatening a minor Hilltop Youth A. to confess to crimes of Jewish Terror. He and Ab. were 2 of many Hilltop Youth suspects of the Duma arson.  He and Ab. were tortured to the point that A. tried to commit suicide and just asked that they should tell him what he needs to confess and he will ablige. Ab's testimony of the  Duma arson was thrown out after 3 and a half years of him sitting in prison. They were not treated like Arab prisoners. Arab prisoners had great accommodations in comparison. 

 First if all they were suspects, yet they were labeled ticking time bombs, separated from other religious inmates for crimes of which there is no credible evidence after 3 and a half years and still living under house arrest with terrible restrictions!

Pray tell who here is guilty of fascism?

Let's revert back to Rabbi Kahane discussion.

I believe Rabbi  Kahane would agree with the following and has openly said so in his videos..

All loyal non Jews residing in Israel should have full civil and economic rights. But not voting rights. 

Their quality of life would still be far superior than in Muslim countries and if they are not happy with this setup  they can emigrate to a Muslim country.

 Many Arabs are thrilled to live in Israel proper, with health benefits, education and a job even without voting rights. (My comments)

All disloyal residents advocating Israels destruction should leave.

In America, we recite I pledge Allegience and all law abiding American cirizens are fine with that. 

Why should someone who hates America benefit from all its social services be it health, education and protection. 

Why is Israel any different?

Loyal non Jews to Israel and there are many, are deserving of basic human and civil rights.

Our enemies are not.

Why should Palestinian education incorporate jihad in their curriculum paid for by Israel or the USA?

Why should Israel tolerate hate education? Don't they have the obligation to their citizens, not  only a right to oversee and censor such hate education.

Why should Israel put up with residents who don't "pledge allegiance" and are potentially dangerous?

Does this mean Rabbi Kahane was preaching violence by raising such issues Israel faces and offers a solution, transferring hostile enemies of Israel to 22 neighboring countries, a solution that he feels is not violent? 

True that's easier said than done.

Didn't Jews go through the Holocaust and had no way to defend themselves? How can one easily defend oneself from the enemy from within. 

Aren't many Palestinians fans of Hitler Yemach Shemo and his Final Solution?  

Let's weed out the evil. It is a significant number and we can't afford not to.

That is a reality Israel must address.

This is what our enemies would love us not to do quite obviously. 

Rabbi Kahane pointed out that the world  successfully makes Israel feel guilty for defending themselves by accusing  their military force of War Crimes.

This makes Israel afraid of targeting their manipulative  enemies  especially when they are using human shields, hospitals and schools from where to shoot their rockets against innocent Israeli civilians. 

Our enemies realize that there is no point in fighting a superior army so rather they use PR as a weapon to  get Israel to be afraid to use their strength out of fear of bad press.

The Torah is Just and Righteous.   One day All the Nation's of the World Will Praise the G-d of Israel and they will see Peace, Truth and Justice prevail!

On Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 5:52 PM Alon Segev <allonsegev@gmail.com wrote:

Why don't you forward your letter to AIPAC and Jewish British communities? (Links below)

I for part would be grateful not be the recipient of any messages advocating Kahane, Goldstein, Tag Price, and Hill Top Youth.

Sorry, violence doesn't turn me on.

Thanks!

https://www.ajc.org/news/ajc-statement-on-otzma-yehudit-party

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/british-jewish-groups-condemn-netanyahu-alliance-with-the-israeli-far-right-1.480433

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On Feb 28, 2019, at 3:43 PM, Robin Ticker <faigerayzel@gmail.com> wrote:

Bsd

Before rushing to conclusions of articles calling Rabbi Kahane and his supporters all kinds of names accusing them of no religion, morals and conscience, why not do some first hand research and listen to what Rabbi Kahane had to say and address each of his points in a civil debate.

Please feel free to listen to video clips of his speeches, debates etc found in the online link below.   If you have additional video clips proving Kahane wishes to murder innocent Arabs, or whatever to help prove your point that aren't on this list, please send them to me. I have yet to find such a clip.

Fyi 

I personally knew Dr. Baruch Goldstein, his parents, his wife and sister. Nice people no different than any of us.  American, kind, involved in helping others. Never heard a racist remark from any of them.

All I can say is that murdering 29 innocent Arabs praying in a mosque was totally out of character. He was a compassionate doctor and religious.

My European parents who visited me in Kiryat Arba, not the Dati Leumi type, also were impressed with the Doctor.

Of course I wasn't there and dont know what happened that day in Maarat Hamachpela. None of us were. Only G-d knows the entire picture  Bullets were found on the ceiling. 

All I can say is that there is nothing in the Torah that permits murder. 

One however is allowed to defend oneself.

The Nation of Israel upon leaving Egypt were commanded to conquer the Land of Israel as per the Covenant G-d made with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as an everlasting Covenant.

We as Jews are commanded to keep the Commandments in the Land and we were warned not to follow the inhumane practices of the 7 Canaanite countries then occupying the Land who sacrificed their children to the Molech (form of idolotry).

 This idolotrous practice  reminds us today  of a Palestinian mother's pride of her Jihadi children and the prevalent glorification of Jihad in Palestinian education, culture and society.

This glorification of terror, killing innocent Arabs is not what one finds among Settler Youth and their education and what they have been taught by their parents.

Some commandments include letting the Land go fallow every 7 years which reminds us who really owns the Land, the Almighty Creator who chooses to whom to give the Land. 

Wanting a Jewish homeland is as racist as Trump wanting America to stay true to the vision of the founding Fathers of America by vetting illegal Immigrants to make sure that they share such vision basically Judeo Christian morality and ethics. He probably will want to reject those who  will undermine America to replace it with their own vision, Sharia for example.

Everyone would agree that as the rightful owner of a house, you have a right to keep people in or out.

Many Palestinians have claimed ownership of Israel and are dreaming of exercising their right to throw out Jews.

The question remains who do you believe is the rightful owner?

To justify our Settlement in Israel, we go by The Book, the Torah. Let's add to that, military law,  the wars Israel won after being attacked first. Then add to that  International Law starting with San Remo Conference giving Jews the rights to settle their historic Biblical Homeland. Let's add the historic vote in 1948 to recognize Israel, the 67 war and the ongoing military threat Israel finds itself surrounded by 22 Muslim countries, often hostile.  Based on this, many embrace Otzma Yehudit ideology who supports Rabbi Kahanes vision of defending our rights to the Land of Israel and when necessary transferring  out hostile and terror  supporting pro  Hamas pro Jihad Palestinians  out of Israel into the neighboring Muslim COUNTRIES.

Kahane was not a racist no different than a home owner is being racist for keeping out hostile elements

Denying Israel the right to defend itself by smearing the name of the IDF is a dream come true for all of Israel enemies.

If the world is unhappy with a strong unapologetic Jewish Military that's too bad. It's non negotiable as it should be for self preservation.. 

Here you will find links to Rabbi Kahane actually speaking. Don't believe what others write about him. Others have an agenda. Trust your own ears and  judgement!

https://shemittahrediscovered.blogspot.com/2019/02/rabbi-meir-kahane.html?m=1

On Feb 28, 2019 3:33 PM, "Alon Segev" <allonsegev@gmail.com> wrote:

Mr Landau has been under massive attack for what he said.

(Before he spoke up, I saw the Jewish British communities condemning Nethanyahu for his deals with "Otsma Yehudit.")

Eventually, it's only a matter of pr and pc: Otsma Yehudit Party voices straightforwardly and clearly the dominant racist worldview among Israelis without masking it.

The deals with between Otsma Yehudit  and Nethanyahu led to unprecedented tension with AIPAC, but unfortunately - and this is the most important thing - to no questions of moral, religion, and conscience

 

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